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Mode S transponder display to ATC?
Mxsmanic wrote:
In that case, since pilots and ATC are also generally aware that people on the ground are listening in, spotters and others listening to the communications aren't breaking the law, either. That case has been made, but has not stood up in court. If you are really that interested, you could dig out the court records. So is it legal for United to have a channel on the aircraft that allows passengers to listen to ATC? *Why, or why not? It is not legal in Germany, and, in fact, UA turns that channel off here. |
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Michael Huber writes:
It is not legal in Germany, and, in fact, UA turns that channel off here. I wasn't asking about Germany, I was asking about the UK. Does United turn the channel off there? |
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On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:23:14 +0200, Michael Huber
wrote: It is not legal in Germany, and, in fact, UA turns that channel off here. This is contrary to my experience on several UA flights (FRA-IAD). Tobias |
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"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
... Sam, Not in the U.S. Source? A source that shows a Garmin GTX330 does not transmit flight ID data in the US would suffice. If a tree falls in the woods, but nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound? |
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Michael Huber writes:
Peter wrote: You would however get into trouble if you recorded ATC and then openly published the recording, e.g. on a website. I don't know why there is this sensitivity because UK ATC are generally highly professional; Maybe a parallel to Germany might help. In Germany, tapping into any communication not intended by the sender to be heard/read/whatever by oneself is illegal (regardless of whether there are measures taken to prevent this) under privacy laws. There are some exceptions, but that's the general rule. ATC communication is only intended for a limited circle of recipients. Plane spotters are not the intended recipients, thus, they may not listen. It has nothing to do with perceived professionality of the ATC people, and everything with protecting the privacy of ATC and pilots. The law in the U.S. is/was that it's illegal to intercept /and reveal/ the content of a transmission. The courts have repeatedly ruled that intercepting (listening to) a transmission is not illegal. It would seem that the German position is rather extreme in that the people on a given aviation frequency have no expectation of privacy (and, for the most part, couldn't care less). Taken to an extreme, it would seem that the German equivalent of the FAA can't record ATC transmissions and use them for quality control, training, or violation proceedings since uninvolved third parties will have been recorded. |
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Everett M. Greene writes:
It would seem that the German position is rather extreme in that the people on a given aviation frequency have no expectation of privacy (and, for the most part, couldn't care less). Taken to an extreme, it would seem that the German equivalent of the FAA can't record ATC transmissions and use them for quality control, training, or violation proceedings since uninvolved third parties will have been recorded. In Germany, everything is forbidden, except that which is permitted. |
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Anthony, since you don't fly, your comments are again irrelevant. You do not
need a transponder, two way radio, or even a seat belt. You should go back to the breast feeding forums. |
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Thomas Borchert wrote:
Sam, Not in the U.S. Source? A source that shows a Garmin GTX330 does not transmit flight ID data in the US would suffice. I suspect it transmits some form of the Mode S message, but no one is listening in the U.S. My friend's Falcon 900 transmits all the Mode S stuff presently required by the most stringent requirements in your part of the world. Eventually, it can transmit heading, IAS, and other types of snitch data. I don't believe the OEM turns on that stuff in his Falcon 900 until the storm troopers order it turned on. |
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Mode S transponder display to ATC?
Mike wrote:
"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message ... Sam, Not in the U.S. Source? A source that shows a Garmin GTX330 does not transmit flight ID data in the US would suffice. If a tree falls in the woods, but nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound? Good way to put it. Plus, in the high end gear, the Mode S message data can be implemented in stages. |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Michael Huber writes: It is not legal in Germany, and, in fact, UA turns that channel off here. I wasn't asking about Germany, I was asking about the UK. Does United turn the channel off there? Are you going to turn it off in MSFS? |
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