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  #81  
Old February 5th 08, 03:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder writes:

We aren't talking about hovering over the highway we are talking about a
VFR flight between two points.


In the article that gave rise to my comment, the pilot was indeed hovering
over the highway, in a helicopter.


Just for the record here is your first post in this thread. Nowhere do
you mention helicopters.

Mxsmanic wrote:
"Is it a bad idea to fly VFR at night and navigate by following
highways? At
night outside large cities, there doesn't seem to be much else that's
visible.
It seems to me that if you can clearly see the highway, it can guide you and
you can get a good idea of where you are with respect to terrain, so it
should
work. Are there hidden dangers in this? Do night VFR pilots ever/often
navigate by following highways? What other forms of visual navigation are
usable at night?"



Once again you show your ignorance. An engine failure in a helo hovering
at 10 feet is just about the worst place that such a failure could happen.


Explain.



It is high enough to kill you and too low to perform a proper
auto-rotation. As forward speed increases the ability to perform a
proper run-on landing increases. In a run-on landing you are pretty much
treating the helo like a fixed wing.
  #82  
Old February 5th 08, 05:37 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Default Night VFR following highways

Gig 601XL Builder writes:

Just for the record here is your first post in this thread. Nowhere do
you mention helicopters.


I said "in the article that gave rise to my comment," meaning an article to
which I provided a pointer. That article described the experience of a
helicopter pilot in marginal VFR at night.

It is high enough to kill you and too low to perform a proper
auto-rotation.


Ten feet? I've seen helicopters fall to the ground from this height in videos
and while the helicopters may not survive if they don't remain upright, it
looks as though the occupants often can walk away from it. An engine failure
would be more gentle than a simple fall.
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Old February 5th 08, 05:52 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]
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Default Night VFR following highways

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Gig 601XL Builder writes:

Just for the record here is your first post in this thread. Nowhere
do you mention helicopters.


I said "in the article that gave rise to my comment," meaning an
article to which I provided a pointer. That article described the
experience of a helicopter pilot in marginal VFR at night.

It is high enough to kill you and too low to perform a proper
auto-rotation.


Ten feet? I've seen helicopters fall to the ground from this height
in videos and while the helicopters may not survive if they don't
remain upright, it looks as though the occupants often can walk away
from it. An engine failure would be more gentle than a simple fall.


Nope.


Bertie
  #84  
Old February 5th 08, 07:19 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
Gig 601XL Builder[_2_]
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Default Night VFR following highways

Mxsmanic wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder writes:

Just for the record here is your first post in this thread. Nowhere do
you mention helicopters.


I said "in the article that gave rise to my comment," meaning an article to
which I provided a pointer. That article described the experience of a
helicopter pilot in marginal VFR at night.


And we were supposed to know that, how?



It is high enough to kill you and too low to perform a proper
auto-rotation.


Ten feet? I've seen helicopters fall to the ground from this height in videos
and while the helicopters may not survive if they don't remain upright, it
looks as though the occupants often can walk away from it. An engine failure
would be more gentle than a simple fall.


Depends on the helo and more importantly how it lands. They are designed
to handle some amount of hard landing but a hard landing can easily turn
into an overturned craft and then all bets are off.

Anything short of 400 feet and auto-rotation probably isn't going to be
successful.


  #85  
Old February 5th 08, 11:40 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Gig 601XL Builder writes:

And we were supposed to know that, how?


By following the thread, and actually reading the article.
  #86  
Old February 6th 08, 06:05 AM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]
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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Gig 601XL Builder writes:

And we were supposed to know that, how?


By following the thread, and actually reading the article.


Yeh. like any of your posts are worth following

Bertie
  #87  
Old February 6th 08, 02:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
Gig 601XL Builder[_2_]
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Default Night VFR following highways

Mxsmanic wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder writes:

And we were supposed to know that, how?


By following the thread, and actually reading the article.


Damn, you are an idiot.

I quoted your original post and you admitted that you hadn't mentioned
helos in it.
  #88  
Old February 6th 08, 05:23 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Gig 601XL Builder writes:

Damn, you are an idiot.

I quoted your original post and you admitted that you hadn't mentioned
helos in it.


So? I explained where the reference came from.
  #89  
Old February 9th 08, 05:04 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]
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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Gig 601XL Builder writes:

Damn, you are an idiot.

I quoted your original post and you admitted that you hadn't mentioned
helos in it.


So? I explained where the reference came from.


Nope.


Bertie
 




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