President Bush is a Miserable Failure

While the casualties are tragic....

The casualties are unnecessary. We shouldn't be in Iraq.

Walt

We have what, @ 750 KIA now?

As tragic as each and every death is, 750 for the invasion, conquering and
pacification of a nation is quite low...

We shouldn't be in Iraq at all.

Iraq is not pacified and is not likely to be.

I was watching the News Hour on PBS. James Woosley, Clinton's CIA director
said some fateful words: "The war is not lost yet." He also said that
Rumsfeld should not be fired.

You'll write this off as, "oh, he's a Clinton guy."

Other people will compare your statement:

"750 for the invasion, conquering and
pacification of a nation is quite low..."

And the former DCI saying the war is not lost --yet--.

And wonder if you could possibly be serious. Or are you claiming that the
country is -now- pacified? Or something else?

Walt

The point of my post was to point out that your OT political posts are
unlikely to do any good, (may even do some harm) and are as welcome as the
proverbial fart in church.

It's an open forum.

You post what you like. Don't dictate to others.

Walt

We shouldn't be in Iraq at all.

Says the partisan lefty who undoubtedly revels in the death of every U.S.
service member in Iraq as it stokes his political machine.

Iraq is not pacified and is not likely to be.

What you see on TV represents about 5% of Iraqi territory. Before you spout
your partisan junk, perhaps you should do a little research. Will we ever
pacify 100% of Iraq? Doubtful, even Sadam Hussain never accomplished that.

You'll write this off as, "oh, he's a Clinton guy."

Uhh, when you begin threads titled "President Bush is a miserable failure" you
kind of wear your partisan heart on your sleeve. As a left wing extremeist, you
are incapable of having a rational discussion. Don't feel bad, the right wing
extremists suffer from the same fault. See, you two do have something in
common.

And wonder if you could possibly be serious.

I am serious.

Or are you claiming that the
country is -now- pacified?

The great majority of Iraq is pacified. The rest we may or may not be able to
pacify before we leave, but even, God forbid, the fatalities doubled over the
next year, it would be a startling military success, and if Clinton were still
C-in-C you would be pointing this out.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Or are you claiming that the
country is -now- pacified?

The great majority of Iraq is pacified.

We have 760 KIA now. What's your best guess on the final number of KIA before
the -whole- country is pacified?

Walt

We shouldn't be in Iraq at all.

Says the partisan lefty who undoubtedly revels in the death of every U.S.
service member in Iraq as it stokes his political machine.

Ad hominem attacks are about all you haev left. I'm such a leftist that I
joined the Marine Corps.

One of the scariest aspects of our present state is that both sides want to
demonize each other. We have a lot more in common than we do not.

People on the right -and- left need to agree that we can disagree and still be
loyal Americans.

Walt



Iraq is not pacified and is not likely to be.

What you see on TV represents about 5% of Iraqi territory. Before you spout
your partisan junk, perhaps you should do a little research. Will we ever
pacify 100% of Iraq? Doubtful, even Sadam Hussain never accomplished that.

You'll write this off as, "oh, he's a Clinton guy."

Uhh, when you begin threads titled "President Bush is a miserable failure"
you
kind of wear your partisan heart on your sleeve. As a left wing extremeist,
you
are incapable of having a rational discussion. Don't feel bad, the right wing
extremists suffer from the same fault. See, you two do have something in
common.

And wonder if you could possibly be serious.

I am serious.

Or are you claiming that the
country is -now- pacified?

The great majority of Iraq is pacified. The rest we may or may not be able to
pacify before we leave, but even, God forbid, the fatalities doubled over the
next year, it would be a startling military success, and if Clinton were
still
C-in-C you would be pointing this out.


BUFDRVR

You'll write this off as, "oh, he's a Clinton guy."

Uhh, when you begin threads titled "President Bush is a miserable failure"
you
kind of wear your partisan heart on your sleeve.

President Bush -is- a miserable failure.

Again, I will direct your attention to the comment of the frmer DCI:

"The war is not lost -yet-."

Thanks to the Bush administration's almost criminally maladroit policies.

Or are you claiming that the
country is -now- pacified?

The great majority of Iraq is pacified. The rest we may or may not be able to
pacify before we leave, but even, God forbid, the fatalities doubled over the
next year, it would be a startling military success, and if Clinton were
still
C-in-C you would be pointing this out.

A startling military success? You do recall Vice President Cheney saying we
would be met as liberators, right?

So could it be that a startling military success had to recoup a stunning
political failure?

Walt

We have 760 KIA now. What's your best guess on the final number of KIA
before
the -whole- country is pacified?

Walt

I have no idea, but less than 1000 KIA to invade, defeat and occupy a country
for 1 year is unbelievably low.If you had any real military experience you
would acknowledge that.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Says the partisan lefty who undoubtedly revels in the death of every U.S.
service member in Iraq as it stokes his political machine.

Ad hominem attacks are about all you haev left.

No, no, I've got plenty more. If you can't take a spade being called a spade
I'd suggest stopping the creation of threads that highlight yourself as some
leftist troll.

I'm such a leftist that I
joined the Marine Corps.

I doubt that.

One of the scariest aspects of our present state is that both sides want to
demonize each other. We have a lot more in common than we do not.

People on the right -and- left need to agree that we can disagree and still
be
loyal Americans.

The only people in Congress who feel that way are John McCain and Joe
Lieberman. And I don't believe people, like yourself, who troll aviation
newsgroups with threads such as this fit into this catagory either. If 50
Americans were killed in Iraq today, you'd watch TV with a big grin on your
face because you're more loyal to the DNC than to this country.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

A startling military success?

Only a blinded partisan fool can't see this...

You do recall Vice President Cheney saying we
would be met as liberators, right?

What has this to do with anything? We're discussing fatalities here, not
pardades. For what its worth, in a great part of Iraq, even today, we are
treated like liberators. Your problem is, all of your knowledge about Iraq
comes from CNN, NBC etc. Try finding someone who has actually been there. Even
the guys in the hot spots will tell you those hot spots are compareably small.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"