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W. D. Allen Sr. wrote:
The Douglas A3D Skywarrior was probably the biggest operated from the 27C class modified WWII carriers. Could we count the modified P2Vs that the nuclear strike VC squadrons were to use? They did do a number of launches from the various Midways (Which, I think, count as WW 2 ships). Although they did have hooks, and performed FCLPs, according to Holly Hills, who flew 'em after he returned to the Navy after flying in the RCAF, they never could find a Carrier Skipper who'd let them come aboard his ship in any manner other than a crane. -- Pete Stickney Java Man knew nothing about coffee. |
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Peter Stickney wrote:
W. D. Allen Sr. wrote: The Douglas A3D Skywarrior was probably the biggest operated from the 27C class modified WWII carriers. Could we count the modified P2Vs that the nuclear strike VC squadrons were to use? They did do a number of launches from the various Midways (Which, I think, count as WW 2 ships). Although they did have hooks, and performed FCLPs, according to Holly Hills, who flew 'em after he returned to the Navy after flying in the RCAF, they never could find a Carrier Skipper who'd let them come aboard his ship in any manner other than a crane. Pete, you know where, what and when Holly flew in the RCAF? -- -Gord. (use gordon in email) |
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"Peter Stickney" wrote in message ... W. D. Allen Sr. wrote: The Douglas A3D Skywarrior was probably the biggest operated from the 27C class modified WWII carriers. Could we count the modified P2Vs that the nuclear strike VC squadrons were to use? They did do a number of launches from the various Midways (Which, I think, count as WW 2 ships). Although they did have hooks, and performed FCLPs, according to Holly Hills, who flew 'em after he returned to the Navy after flying in the RCAF, they never could find a Carrier Skipper who'd let them come aboard his ship in any manner other than a crane. -- Pete Stickney Java Man knew nothing about coffee. Construction on the Midways was started during WWII but it was not rushed. When they were ordered it was realized that they would not be required during the War, so they were planned from the beginning to combine the best features of the carriers used during the war. A kind of "lessons learned carrier. They had about the same aircraft complement and the same speed as the Essexs they were 45,000 tons compared to the approximate 31,000 ton Essexs. There were originally supposed to be six Midways, but only three were built and they were not completed until after the war was over. IIRC the Midways were the first US ships ordered that were designed from the start as being too wide to fit through the Panama canal. (The following is more useless information from someone with too much time on their hands, because its raining and I can't go fishing. Aviation content? Yes the BB's carried scout planes, and were on the way to the pacific to shout down jap naval aircraft.)Yes before anyone asks the Iowa Class BB's could and did go through the Panama Canal. I know the New Jersey was the first through the canal going through on 7 Jan 1944. The Iowa sailed from Norfolk (?) on 2 Jan 44 but it probably took 7 days to get to the Canal so most likely it was the 2d one through. The Wisconsin went through at the end of Sep '44 followed by the Missouri on 18 Nov '44. The canal locks are officially 33 meters (108.26 feet) wide and the battleships are supposed to be 108 feet 2 inches (or 108.66 feet) at the water line. Tight fit ? |
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"Diamond Jim" wrote in message om... Construction on the Midways was started during WWII but it was not rushed. When they were ordered it was realized that they would not be required during the War, so they were planned from the beginning to combine the best features of the carriers used during the war. A kind of "lessons learned carrier. They had about the same aircraft complement and the same speed as the Essexs they were 45,000 tons compared to the approximate 31,000 ton Essexs. There were originally supposed to be six Midways, but only three were built and they were not completed until after the war was over. IIRC the Midways were the first US ships ordered that were designed from the start as being too wide to fit through the Panama canal. Midway was ordered in August 1942, her keel was laid down in October 1943, and she was launched in March 1945. It's true she wasn't commissioned until after VJ Day, in September 1945, but just who realized by any of those earlier dates that none of the Midway class would be required during WWII? |
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Diamond Jim wrote: Construction on the Midways was started during WWII but it was not rushed. When they were ordered it was realized that they would not be required during the War, so they were planned from the beginning to combine the best features of the carriers used during the war. A kind of "lessons learned carrier. ... According to Friedman: "Four large carriers were, therefore, included in a Maximum War Effort shipbuilding program. President Roosevelt approved the program, with the exception of the four carriers, on 12 August 1942. On 8 October, after pressure from Admiral King and the General Board, he agreed to the large carriers, but only if the General Board could certify 'that the program for the immediate construction of smaller carriers is adequate for the next two years' and 'that greater speed can be made in the construction of these 45,000 ton carriers than is indicated in the report of the General Board of September 11th.'" Friedman covers the approval and building process in great detail. I can not locate any reference that it was realized the Midway-class would not be required during the war. Had Truman decided not to drop the bomb, or if it hadn't worked correctly at first, etc, etc. Friedman even mentions: "In 1940, when the Midway design began, ..." Are there references which indicate that the Midway-class wasn't rushed and that it wasn't expected to be operational before the war would end? MW |
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"Diamond Jim" wrote in
om: "Peter Stickney" wrote in message ... W. D. Allen Sr. wrote: The Douglas A3D Skywarrior was probably the biggest operated from the 27C class modified WWII carriers. Could we count the modified P2Vs that the nuclear strike VC squadrons were to use? They did do a number of launches from the various Midways (Which, I think, count as WW 2 ships). Although they did have hooks, and performed FCLPs, according to Holly Hills, who flew 'em after he returned to the Navy after flying in the RCAF, they never could find a Carrier Skipper who'd let them come aboard his ship in any manner other than a crane. -- Pete Stickney Java Man knew nothing about coffee. Construction on the Midways was started during WWII but it was not rushed. When they were ordered it was realized that they would not be required during the War, so they were planned from the beginning to combine the best features of the carriers used during the war. A kind of "lessons learned carrier. They had about the same aircraft complement and the same speed as the Essexs they were 45,000 tons compared to the approximate 31,000 ton Essexs. There were originally supposed to be six Midways, but only three were built and they were not completed until after the war was over. IIRC the Midways were the first US ships ordered that were designed from the start as being too wide to fit through the Panama canal. (The following is more useless information from someone with too much time on their hands, because its raining and I can't go fishing. Aviation content? Yes the BB's carried scout planes, and were on the way to the pacific to shout down jap naval aircraft.)Yes before anyone asks the Iowa Class BB's could and did go through the Panama Canal. I know the New Jersey was the first through the canal going through on 7 Jan 1944. The Iowa sailed from Norfolk (?) on 2 Jan 44 but it probably took 7 days to get to the Canal so most likely it was the 2d one through. The Wisconsin went through at the end of Sep '44 followed by the Missouri on 18 Nov '44. The canal locks are officially 33 meters (108.26 feet) wide and the battleships are supposed to be 108 feet 2 inches (or 108.66 feet) at the water line. Tight fit ? Go here to see more on the New Jersey's last trip through the canal: http://www.czbrats.com/CuPA/Jimpics/ussnj.htm Dave |
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Gord Beaman wrote:
Peter Stickney wrote: W. D. Allen Sr. wrote: The Douglas A3D Skywarrior was probably the biggest operated from the 27C class modified WWII carriers. Could we count the modified P2Vs that the nuclear strike VC squadrons were to use? They did do a number of launches from the various Midways (Which, I think, count as WW 2 ships). Although they did have hooks, and performed FCLPs, according to Holly Hills, who flew 'em after he returned to the Navy after flying in the RCAF, they never could find a Carrier Skipper who'd let them come aboard his ship in any manner other than a crane. Pete, you know where, what and when Holly flew in the RCAF? Let's see what my notes say - He signed on with the RCAF in June 1940, and was inducted in September '40. The Empire Air Training Scheme was slow getting started, so he didn't report to #7 Elementary Flight Training School until January '41. Primary was done on Fleet Finches. In March, he went to Dauphin, Manitoba for the Service Flying Training School. Advanced was in Harvards. He got his wings as a Sergeant Pilot on June 22, 1941. He did a little horse trading, and was posted to England in August, '41. He went through the Army Cooperation Command (Recce and FIghter-Bombers, these days) OTU at Old Sarum, flying Lysanders and Curtiss Tomahawks (P-40Bs) He was posted to RCAF 414 Squadron, initially flying Tomahawks in the Air Cooperation Command. 414 Squadron transitioned to Mustangs Is in June '42. The first combat missions for 414 were flown over Dieppe. During the course of this, Holly shot down an Fw 190 - the first Mustang kill. They also did a lot of low level recce and train busting. (Air Cooperation Command Mustang Is were the first Allied fighters to penetrate German airspace) In November 1942, he transferred to the U.S. Navy, where he flew F2A Buffalos and F4F Wildcats in transition and gunnery training. While still a student, he spent 3 months instructing the instructors - He was the only guy at the Miami Naval Air Station that had combat experience. He then spent a year in the Pacific, flying F6F Hellcats with VF-32, VF-150. and VF-97. He shot down 4 Zeros, and participated in the Marianas Turkey Shoot. -- Pete Stickney Java Man knew nothing about coffee. |
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On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 01:51:29 GMT, Dave in San Diego
wrote: "Diamond Jim" wrote in . com: "Peter Stickney" wrote in message ... W. D. Allen Sr. wrote: The Douglas A3D Skywarrior was probably the biggest operated from the 27C class modified WWII carriers. Could we count the modified P2Vs that the nuclear strike VC squadrons were to use? They did do a number of launches from the various Midways (Which, I think, count as WW 2 ships). Although they did have hooks, and performed FCLPs, according to Holly Hills, who flew 'em after he returned to the Navy after flying in the RCAF, they never could find a Carrier Skipper who'd let them come aboard his ship in any manner other than a crane. -- Pete Stickney Java Man knew nothing about coffee. Construction on the Midways was started during WWII but it was not rushed. When they were ordered it was realized that they would not be required during the War, so they were planned from the beginning to combine the best features of the carriers used during the war. A kind of "lessons learned carrier. They had about the same aircraft complement and the same speed as the Essexs they were 45,000 tons compared to the approximate 31,000 ton Essexs. There were originally supposed to be six Midways, but only three were built and they were not completed until after the war was over. IIRC the Midways were the first US ships ordered that were designed from the start as being too wide to fit through the Panama canal. (The following is more useless information from someone with too much time on their hands, because its raining and I can't go fishing. Aviation content? Yes the BB's carried scout planes, and were on the way to the pacific to shout down jap naval aircraft.)Yes before anyone asks the Iowa Class BB's could and did go through the Panama Canal. I know the New Jersey was the first through the canal going through on 7 Jan 1944. The Iowa sailed from Norfolk (?) on 2 Jan 44 but it probably took 7 days to get to the Canal so most likely it was the 2d one through. The Wisconsin went through at the end of Sep '44 followed by the Missouri on 18 Nov '44. The canal locks are officially 33 meters (108.26 feet) wide and the battleships are supposed to be 108 feet 2 inches (or 108.66 feet) at the water line. Tight fit ? Go here to see more on the New Jersey's last trip through the canal: http://www.czbrats.com/CuPA/Jimpics/ussnj.htm Dave And the time lapse at Miraflores Locks at http://www.pancanal.com/eng/photo/jersey-animation.html Tom Debski |
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Peter Stickney wrote:
snip of loads of good info Holly Hills, who flew 'em after he returned to the Navy after flying in the RCAF, they never could find a Carrier Skipper who'd let them come aboard his ship in any manner other than a crane. Pete, you know where, what and when Holly flew in the RCAF? Ok, thanks Peter, I do appreciate it...I guess I got confused and thought that he had flown P2V's in Canada...then I noticed that you mentioned 'P2V's in the Navy' and knowing that Canada's Navy didn't have them...thought I'd check. Thanks much sir, you're a veritable warehouse of info!. -- -Gord. (use gordon in email) |
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