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Let's all remember that Anthony doesn't fly and never has. He has never
encountered the situation described, and certainly knows nothing about flying procedures, let alone the military and their responsibilities. If he were as smart as he thinks he is, he would be able to find a regular job. |
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Mike wrote:
Not so. In Class B airspace you're separated from other traffic. In a MOA you're simply provided advisories of observed traffic. Yes, but not really. Check the separation standards for small VFR aircraft in class bravo. It's practically non-existent. You get half the IFR/IFR separation, but only if the other aircraft is 19,000 lbs. For smaller aircraft the standard is target resolution which means you could practically reach out and touch one another. In ATC lingo it's called "green-in-between". Actually it's just "green between" in ATC lingo, but that's still separation. |
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Let's all remember that the first guy that got bounced kept his mouth
shut until the second one, a lawyer, complained and said that he wanted to file a complaint. Only then did the first pilot meekly chimed in that he would also like to file a complaint. If it wasn't for the people in the military, we wouldn't even have the privilage or right to even be in the sky. As long as there isn't a mid-air, fly the airplane and shut up. |
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On Jul 12, 7:31*am, "Viperdoc" wrote:
Let's all remember that Anthony doesn't fly and never has. He has never encountered the situation described, and certainly knows nothing about flying procedures, let alone the military and their responsibilities. If he were as smart as he thinks he is, he would be able to find a regular job. None the less, formation flying with someone not skilled in the discipline is not a good idea. If such procedures in joint use airspace are sanctioned by higher authorities in the air force their judgment has to be questioned. If the USAF pilot did this on his own his judgment is in question, isn't it? Simply because the jet jock has the skills to do something like that safely does NOT mean he has the right to do it. |
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Mxsmanic wrote in
: Robert M. Gary writes: ATC has freq for both VHF and UHF. The civilian pilots were in contact with ATC, the F-16 pilot elected to not be in contact with ATC. Maybe the Air Force should elect to retire that pilot. And put him on a desktop sim? Bertie |
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They did not fly formation with the civilian pilot- it is not the normal
intercept procedure, and the differences in airspeed make it difficult. The usual intent is to get the other pilot's attention, while the wingman provides support and maintains visual contact. The civilian pilot has an equal responsibility to see and avoid, and probably should be even more attentive in an active MOA. |
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On Jul 12, 10:12*am, "Viperdoc" wrote:
They did not fly formation with the civilian pilot- it is not the normal intercept procedure, and the differences in airspeed make it difficult. The usual intent is to get the other pilot's attention, while the wingman provides support and maintains visual contact. The civilian pilot has an equal responsibility to see and avoid, and probably should be even more attentive in an active MOA. I submit the difference in airspeed and detection equipment puts the tin can at a substantial disadvantage. If it's as the thread suggests, the jet jock was playing games he should not have been. Sometimes USAF pilots display inappropriate airmanship: this seems to be such a case. Even good guys make mistakes: excepte me. |
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"JS" == John Smith writes:
JS If it wasn't for the people in the military, we wouldn't even JS have the privilage or right to even be in the sky. JS As long as there isn't a mid-air, fly the airplane and shut JS up. A good Tory you would have been in 1776. I would have been the first to complain. Patriots don't shut up and they don't worship the military or any other damn thing. -- If you are ever skydiving, and your parachute fails, and your friends are all watching youu fall, I think a good gag would be to pretend you're swimming. - Jack Handey |
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The pilot may well have made a bad decision- however, it is highly unlikely
that they were flying in formation with the civilian plane. As far as I know, both pilots have an equal responsibility for see and avoid. |
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