Why Pilots of America rocks...

This *here* is usenet. Whatever you say and how good your quoted article
is or might be: This was NOT a shameless and harmless plug, this was pure
advertisment for a (free) service and is intended to disturb (yeah, I know
...) this group. Please refrain from doing so. Thank you.

As I don't intend to make this a broad discussion: please let it stay as
said, thus I set a f-up to poster. Thank you. :-)

Martin, usually your English is quite good -- but I haven't had enough beer
to make any sense out those two paragraphs.

Try that again, please?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article cXDvk.326662$yE1.310662@attbi_s21,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

This *here* is usenet. Whatever you say and how good your quoted article
is or might be: This was NOT a shameless and harmless plug, this was pure
advertisment for a (free) service and is intended to disturb (yeah, I know
...) this group. Please refrain from doing so. Thank you.

As I don't intend to make this a broad discussion: please let it stay as
said, thus I set a f-up to poster. Thank you. :-)

Martin, usually your English is quite good -- but I haven't had enough beer
to make any sense out those two paragraphs.

(if I may interject...)

well, it seems Martin's point is that plugging POA as an alternative
to rec.aviation.* contributes to the exodus of group contributers,
and that actually hurts the group.

As to the 2nd para, Martin occasionally utilizes the feature of
setting followups ("f-up") to the poster (Martin, in this case).

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

On Sep 3, 5:45*pm, terry wrote:
On Sep 4, 3:27*am, FREEDOM-OF-SPEECH wrote: Future history will show.....

2008 was "The Rise Of The White Male Sycophant"

America will never be the same as the forces of politically
correct tyranny seek to weaken America by lessening the very
bedrock culture that built her. *The strong white male men
of the west the types like John Wayne have been transformed
by the Marxist American media into a weak shriveling
sycophant minion servant of strong women and blacks on TV.

John Wayne! * You mean Marion ( yeh Marion) Morrison. He was an actor
you idiot. That means he plays dress ups and pretends to be someone he
is not. *Why dont use a real big white Texan like George Dubbya as
your shining example of white male supremacy and intellect.........on
second thoughts.

Well, Jimmy Stewart would be more suitable, as this is an aviation
forum.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:cXDvk.326662$yE1.310662@attbi_s21:

This *here* is usenet. Whatever you say and how good your quoted
article is or might be: This was NOT a shameless and harmless plug,
this was pure advertisment for a (free) service and is intended to
disturb (yeah, I know ...) this group. Please refrain from doing so.
Thank you.

As I don't intend to make this a broad discussion: please let it stay
as said, thus I set a f-up to poster. Thank you. :-)

Martin, usually your English is quite good



Better than your's obviously. Not to mention his usenet savvy.



Bertie

I really don't want to trim the original post, so I am making a special
exception in deciding to top-post.

IMHO, P.O.A definitely does NOT rock!

The interface appears tedious, looks silly with those identity logos on the
left side, and simply does not work as well as an NNTP server. Frankly,
P.O.A is just not worth the effort to search for content, much less sign up
and contribute, and if it was the only on-line choice; I would simply go
off-line.

Peter


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
newseovk.270699$TT4.255150@attbi_s22...
Below is what was published today on the moderated piloting group, "Pilots
of America". As you may recall, this is the piloting group that Dudley
Henriques, myself, and a host of others have switched to, now that the
cross-posting trolls have emasculated this once-hallowed group.

Over on P of A, off-topic posts are segregated to an area called "The Spin
Zone". Pretty much anything goes there (as opposed to the rest of the
site, which is purely about aviation), and it has been said that it is
roughly the equivalent of rec.aviation.piloting. Politics, crime,
religion -- you name it -- it's all fair game in the Spin Zone. Usually.

Lately, however, things have apparently gotten pretty out of hand there,
to the point where the moderators have taken the radical step of closing
that part of PofA down for a "cooling off" period. Below is the
explanation the moderating team has posted for all to read:

************************************************** *************************************************
Recently, the Management Council posted a general warning about the level
of offensive rhetoric in the Spin Zone. After dealing with five violations
of the Rules of Conduct in the Spin Zone in the last 12 hours, the
Management Council has concluded that too many participants did not take
that warning to heart. We have decided that a "time out" is necessary so
that all Spin Zone posters can reflect on whether or not they wish to play
by the rules. Therefore, the Spin Zone is closed for three days.

While the Spin Zone is closed, non-aviation related political, religious,
or otherwise potentially controversial topics posted in other forums in
violation of the rules for those forums will be deleted, and users who
persist in posting inappropriate material will be subject to full site
suspension.

If, when the Spin Zone reopens, all participants demonstrate a
recommitment to the principles of civil discourse upon which this this
site was founded, it will remain open. If this pervasive lack of
self-discipline continues at the current level, the Management Council
will eliminate that forum permanently because we are unwilling to continue
spending the amount of time required to manage the misbehavior of the
small but significant number of participants who do not abide by the
rules.

Regards,

The Pilots of America Management Council
************************************************** *************************************************
If only something similar could be enforced here, this group would quickly
be restored to functionality. Since it can't, I heartily invite everyone
who is sick of the "Bertie-MX-Maxwell-Mikey-Rich Troll-o-rama Show" to
c'mon over to where the air is clean and fresh, and the management team
knows how to deal with children who can't play well with others.

http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Bob Noel" wrote

well, it seems Martin's point is that plugging POA as an alternative
to rec.aviation.* contributes to the exodus of group contributers,
and that actually hurts the group.

How can it possibly hurt this group any further?

I loath the setup of POA, and find little to no enjoyment trying to read it.

That being said, all one can hope to do is to keep good people in touch with
each other, and POA is all that is left.

All one can hope at this point is that this group finish its flaming death
gasps, and later that it can possibly be reborn from the ashes.
--
Jim in NC

buttman writes:

The problem with most of these "moderated" web forums is that they
seem to focus their moderation on protecting the thin-skinned from
being offended by cuss words and insults, while they let the actual
discussions degrade into meaningless, (all though polite) trite crap.

For instance its very common to see a thread in a moderated forum
about a plane crash. But instead of the discussion being about the
actual crash, all you'll see is page after page of replies like "RIP",
"This is sad my prayers go out to the victims", "RIP ", "this is sad
RIP", etc. Its nice that people are being supportive and polite, but
whats the point? Who wants to read that? If I were moderating, that is
the exact kind of thing I'd be removing. The same goes for when a
thread diverts off into a personal chit chat session between two
acquaintances.

That's because you cannot have a meaningful discussion among people with
differences of opinion without the risk of controversy and conflict.

If the discussion forum is peaceful, it will also be boring, with no real
discussion of substance. If the discussion forum discusses real issues of
real interest, the intolerant among the participants will complain of being
offended and will rapidly resort to personal attacks.

You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

Jay Honeck schrieb:
Try that again, please?

What would you say if the bellboy from a hotel in your town shows up in
your lobby saying to your guests that they should come over to his place
(whatever the reason might be)?

You just did *exactly* the same here on usenet.

#m

Martin Hotze wrote:
Jay Honeck schrieb:
Try that again, please?

What would you say if the bellboy from a hotel in your town shows up in
your lobby saying to your guests that they should come over to his place
(whatever the reason might be)?

You just did *exactly* the same here on usenet.

What would you say if a fireman showed up in Jay's lobby saying his hotel's
roof is on fire and his guests should evacuate to another hotel?

And what if pigs had wings?

On Sep 4, 10:39*am, a wrote:
On Sep 3, 5:45*pm, terry wrote:





On Sep 4, 3:27*am, FREEDOM-OF-SPEECH wrote: Future history will show.....

2008 was "The Rise Of The White Male Sycophant"

America will never be the same as the forces of politically
correct tyranny seek to weaken America by lessening the very
bedrock culture that built her. *The strong white male men
of the west the types like John Wayne have been transformed
by the Marxist American media into a weak shriveling
sycophant minion servant of strong women and blacks on TV.

John Wayne! * You mean Marion ( yeh Marion) Morrison. He was an actor
you idiot. That means he plays dress ups and pretends to be someone he
is not. *Why dont use a real big white Texan like George Dubbya as
your shining example of white male supremacy and intellect.........on
second thoughts.

Well, Jimmy Stewart would be more suitable, as this is an aviation
forum.- Hide quoted text -

Now there's a real American hero.