"Dirty Tricks" and "Both Sides Do It"

Hey Gang:

So with all of the recent anonymous smear campaigns- unsubstantiated,
"howler" type accusations- you know, the ones from anonymous posters with
all of the ~~~ symbols etc. . . .

.. . . does anyone want to take up a rational, fact based discussion of the
premise that "both sides do it" (use "Dirty Tricks;" e.g., lie, smear, use
proxies, mistrepresent, cheat on election/campaign laws, etc.)?

There are objective, "scientific" methods to determine to what extent each
political party uses so-called "dirty tricks" in their campaigns.

Anyone want to discuss which side relies more heavily on dirty tricks and
to what extent?

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Abolish the Police State
and
the Welfare State
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"Leslie Swartz" wrote in message
...
| Hey Gang:
|
| So with all of the recent anonymous smear campaigns- unsubstantiated,
| "howler" type accusations- you know, the ones from anonymous posters with
| all of the ~~~ symbols etc. . . .
|
| . . . does anyone want to take up a rational, fact based discussion of the
| premise that "both sides do it" (use "Dirty Tricks;" e.g., lie, smear,
use
| proxies, mistrepresent, cheat on election/campaign laws, etc.)?
|
| There are objective, "scientific" methods to determine to what extent each
| political party uses so-called "dirty tricks" in their campaigns.
|
| Anyone want to discuss which side relies more heavily on dirty tricks and
| to what extent?
|
| --
| *********************************
| Steve & Leslie Swartz
| Abolish the Police State
| and
| the Welfare State
| VOTE LIBERTARIAN!
| ********************************
|
|






Leslie, unless one or both sides start using military aircraft - it really
is irrelevant for this newsgroup.


In any case, US campaign politics becomes less and interesting the further
you are away from the US.



Cheers


Dave Kearton

My point exactly, actually . . . maybe I was being way too subtle.

Or "too clever by half."

Lately, the anonymous barrage crossposting crap has gotten even worse than
normal.

Sorry if my thread about off-topic posting was, well, off topic.

Steve


"Dave Kearton" wrote in
message ...

"Leslie Swartz" wrote in message
...
| Hey Gang:
|
| So with all of the recent anonymous smear campaigns- unsubstantiated,
| "howler" type accusations- you know, the ones from anonymous posters
with
| all of the ~~~ symbols etc. . . .
|
| . . . does anyone want to take up a rational, fact based discussion of
the
| premise that "both sides do it" (use "Dirty Tricks;" e.g., lie, smear,
use
| proxies, mistrepresent, cheat on election/campaign laws, etc.)?
|
| There are objective, "scientific" methods to determine to what extent
each
| political party uses so-called "dirty tricks" in their campaigns.
|
| Anyone want to discuss which side relies more heavily on dirty tricks
and
| to what extent?
|
| --
| *********************************
| Steve & Leslie Swartz
| Abolish the Police State
| and
| the Welfare State
| VOTE LIBERTARIAN!
| ********************************
|
|






Leslie, unless one or both sides start using military aircraft - it
really
is irrelevant for this newsgroup.


In any case, US campaign politics becomes less and interesting the
further
you are away from the US.



Cheers


Dave Kearton

Leslie Swartz wrote:
Anyone want to discuss which side relies more heavily on dirty tricks
and to what extent?

Not in a group created for the discussion of military aviation.

*plonk*

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"Leslie Swartz" wrote in message
...
Hey Gang:

So with all of the recent anonymous smear campaigns- unsubstantiated,
"howler" type accusations- you know, the ones from anonymous posters with
all of the ~~~ symbols etc. . . .

Best I noticed "the *one* poster" who was/is fond of tildes.
I've applied a "rule" to all messages starting thusly.

. . . does anyone want to take up a rational, fact based discussion of the
premise that "both sides do it" (use "Dirty Tricks;" e.g., lie, smear,
use
proxies, mistrepresent, cheat on election/campaign laws, etc.)?

No.

Anyone want to discuss which side relies more heavily on dirty tricks and
to what extent?

No.

Best I noticed "the *one* poster" who was/is fond of tildes.
I've applied a "rule" to all messages starting thusly.

Can I do that, using Agent? It complains about a syntax error.


all the best -- Dan Ford
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Best I noticed "the *one* poster" who was/is fond of tildes.
I've applied a "rule" to all messages starting thusly.

Can I do that, using Agent? It complains about a syntax error.

Dan, do you suppose that might be because there's no such word as
"thusly"?

vince norris

vincent p. norris wrote:

Best I noticed "the *one* poster" who was/is fond of tildes.
I've applied a "rule" to all messages starting thusly.

Can I do that, using Agent? It complains about a syntax error.

Dan, do you suppose that might be because there's no such word as
"thusly"?

vince norris

Vince, the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary thinks there is...

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-Gord.

Vince, the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary thinks there is...

Interesting, Gord. My M-W College Edition (hard copy) does not.

Of course, "ordinary" dictionaries are descriptive, not prescriptive.
They report what people say and write, not what they should say and
write; and different editors have different standards of how often a
misuse must appear before it goes into the dictionary. "Thusly" does
appear with some frequency.

"Usage dictionaries"and "writers' guides" report what recognized
authorities agree are correct and incorrect usages. Most authorities
seem to consider "thusly" poor usage.

For example, the _Prentice Hall Reference Guide to Grammar and Usage_
(1991) says, on p. 327, "Thusly: This is an incorrect substitute for
thus."

Bergen and Cornelia Evans say, in _A Dictionary of Modern American
Usage_, p. 512, "Thusly seems to have originated in the Boston
_Journal_ in1889. Whether it was the product of illiteracy or
exuberance is not known, but it is hard to see what purpose it
serves."

Wilson Follet's discussion of the problem of adding "ly" to irregular
adverbs runs from page 306 to 308 in _Modern American Usage_. In
essence, he says that people "feel" that an adverb must end in "ly"
and thus (!) add those letters where they do not belong. (Although we
do not very often encounter the phrase "run fastly," despite that fact
that some people "run slowly.")

The _American Heritage_ online says:

ADVERB:
Usage Problem Thus.
USAGE NOTE:
Thusly was introduced in the 19th century as an
alternative to thus in sentences such as Hold it thus
or He put it thus. It appears to have first been used by
humorists, who may have been echoing the speech of
poorly educated people straining to sound stylish.
The word has subsequently gained some currency in
educated usage, but it is still often regarded as
incorrect. A large majority of the Usage Panel found
it unacceptable in an earlier survey. In formal writing
thus can still be used as in the examples above; in
other styles this way, like this, and other such
expressions are more natural.

Hope you'll forgive the long-winded response.

vince norris

does anyone want to take up a rational, fact based discussion of the
premise that "both sides do it"

As posted, the astonishing thing is that all these sick comments seem
to come from the Kerry side. So no, on the evidence, only one side is
doing it.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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