Bush wants to close FAA facilities like the base closure initiative from the Reagan era...

Mxsmanic wrote:
The current Administrator's only "qualification" is longstanding friendship
with the President, something she has in common with most high-level
government appointees over the past seven years or so.

Cite your evidence for that. She came from NTSB, prior
thereto NHTSA, appointed by Bush-nemesis Bill Clinton.

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BiffClinton wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
Jay Honeck writes:

Try over the last 220 years or so.

Administrators are figureheads. The bureacrats that stay with the FAA
for decades are REALLY in charge.

Until 1997, all FAA Administrators had been licensed pilots.


Or until the edict went out from the PC goon squads to "Kiss
the Black Ass" and hire anything that is not white or has a
dick. That is why since Clinton and his bull-dike brigades
took over in 1992 knowing aviation or being a pilot is not
required to be FAA Administrator. Just be anything but a
white male.

Political Correctness-Tyranny with Manners

As a 1/4th Black, 3/4th American Indian, I find your comments
rather racist, demeaning and pathetic. I'm glad to say that it makes
you less than the man you think you are.

Do us a favour; break into an O2 bar, and light a match.

P.S. don't bother replying. you're permanently killfiled.

BL.
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On Mar 3, 1:39 am, TxSrv wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
The current Administrator's only "qualification" is longstanding friendship
with the President, something she has in common with most high-level
government appointees over the past seven years or so.

Cite your evidence for that. She came from NTSB, prior
thereto NHTSA, appointed by Bush-nemesis Bill Clinton.

F--

Actually, they could close down the FAA and ATC in its entirety and I
would not notice anything, nada, zippo!
- except immediately after that there would be an astounding
resurgence in general aviation... The innovation, vitality, and drive,
in the experimental aircraft ranks would literally bubble up inside of
so called "certified" aircraft ranks... Small airports would be busy,
busy, busy on weekends similar to your local boat launch ramp...
OTOH, the airlines, 99% of whom are in bankruptcy (but who are vastly
important because they contribute to political coffers) won't stand
for a resurgent GA and will put their foot down.... sigh

denny

Actually, they could close down the FAA and ATC in its entirety and I
would not notice anything, nada, zippo!
- except immediately after that there would be an astounding
resurgence in general aviation... The innovation, vitality, and drive,
in the experimental aircraft ranks would literally bubble up inside of
so called "certified" aircraft ranks... Small airports would be busy,
busy, busy on weekends similar to your local boat launch ramp...
OTOH, the airlines, 99% of whom are in bankruptcy (but who are vastly
important because they contribute to political coffers) won't stand
for a resurgent GA and will put their foot down.... sigh

Well put, Denny.

Government isn't the solution, it's the problem.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message oups.com...
: Actually, they could close down the FAA and ATC in its entirety and I
: would not notice anything, nada, zippo!
: - except immediately after that there would be an astounding
: resurgence in general aviation... The innovation, vitality, and drive,
: in the experimental aircraft ranks would literally bubble up inside of
: so called "certified" aircraft ranks... Small airports would be busy,
: busy, busy on weekends similar to your local boat launch ramp...
: OTOH, the airlines, 99% of whom are in bankruptcy (but who are vastly
: important because they contribute to political coffers) won't stand
: for a resurgent GA and will put their foot down.... sigh
:
: Well put, Denny.
:
: Government isn't the solution, it's the problem.
: --
: Jay Honeck
: Iowa City, IA
: Pathfinder N56993
: www.AlexisParkInn.com
: "Your Aviation Destination"
:


In a lot of cases I agree, Jay, but not this one. There are some things that the govment needs to do, and do well:
Airport facilities, hiways and roads, emergency services, and law enforcement to name a few. If these things are not
mandated and controlled by govment, some places will have services and some places will not. The primary issue I think
is accountability. There can be no profit motive, but the systems and tools need to be efficient and effective - the
challenge is how do you define those measures?

Dan D.

On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 04:14:22 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote in :

The current Administrator's only "qualification" is longstanding friendship
with the President, something she has in common with most high-level
government appointees over the past seven years or so.


If the people, through the news media and Congress, hadn't
successfully stopped his appointment of his dear friend Harriet
Meyers, we'd have a similarly unqualified Chief Justice of the United
States.

She has no judicial record to examine, and she stated, that Bush is
the most brilliant man she ever met.


Imagine Bush's arrogance if he's managed to hold all three branches of
government hostage. The corrupt politicians and lobbyists like DeLay,
Cunningham, Abromoff, ... would have no fear of monitory fines nor
jail. He would have free reign to wiretap and incarcerate American
citizens indefinitely without charging them with a crime nor granting
them their Constitutional right to the benefit of judicial due
process. The nation would be awash in newly born unwanted citizens
with only a single parent; the hypocritical evangelical preacher, Ted
Haggard, could send all the other homosexuals to Gitmo to be tortured;
the nation's coastal beaches would be packed with oil derricks; those
who had labored to make this nation great would no longer receive
their Social Security payments nor Medicare benefits. A new federal
department would have been created at enormous expense to assure the
security of the nation while failing to close its borders to terrorist
invaders. Big corporations would be free to exploit their workers and
steal their retirement funds. Military conscription would be
reinstated. The nation would have to print so much money, that our
currency would be worthless. Education reform would have resulted in
mandatory instruction in the Arabic language for every American child.
And he could have flushed the toilet containing the US Constitution
upon which he and his right hand marketeer, Karl Rove, have already
used to wipe their asses.

Nice work, Brownie!

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/shareholder2004.html
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,68829,00.html
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/20...tml&frame=true

Blueskies wrote:


One problem with this whole concept is that we need to keep these facilities open and viable. This is not like the
downsizing after the Cold War where we had all sorts of excess capacity. The nonsense coming out of this administration
astounds me!


While there were some pork barrel FAA facilities in the past (lots of
local FSS's and useless towers in West Virginia) they have largely been
taken care of. I'm not sure what facilities they think they are going
to get rid of. They aleady sold-out the FSS's to LockMart.

Jay Honeck wrote:
The current Administrator's only "qualification" is longstanding friendship
with the President, something she has in common with most high-level
government appointees over the past seven years or so.

Try over the last 220 years or so.

Administrators are figureheads. The bureacrats that stay with the FAA
for decades are REALLY in charge.

This is true in every branch of our Gummint.
--

Untrue Jay.

Up until the last few administrators EVERY ONE came either from senior
airline or military aviation managements. Every one was either close
to retirement or retired. They didn't get much money being
administrator, but they were willing to do so out of a sense of public
service when the President asked.

Now they are chosen for their bureaucratic and political track record
more than any relevent qualifications in the field.

"Larry Dighera" wrote

Imagine Bush's arrogance if he's managed to hold all three branches of
government hostage.


For all of your political expertise, you should go into politics.

I'm also quite certain that I speak for many other RAP people when I say:

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT POLITICS!!!

PLONK

"Blueskies" wrote in message
et...

In a lot of cases I agree, Jay, but not this one. There are some things
that the govment needs to do, and do well:
Airport facilities,

Nope.

hiways and roads,

Nope.
emergency services,

Nope.

and law enforcement to name a few.

Govenment is established to protect our rights, not to make things
conveneint.

If these things are not
mandated and controlled by govment, some places will have services and
some places will not.

Bull. the only way people will not have services is if they are not willing
to pay market price, instead expecting others to cover their costs. That's
noting but a form of parasitism.

The primary issue I think
is accountability.

The best accountability is profits and losses, and thodse have to be over
the long term.

There can be no profit motive, but the systems and tools need to be
efficient and effective

Constradcition - with out a profit motive there can be no efficiency, nor
accountability.
- the
challenge is how do you define those measures?

Exactly; you can't.