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XCSoar With LNAV?
On Saturday, March 16, 2013 6:27:31 AM UTC+1, wrote:
Max and XCSoar Team [...] Normally these 3 sentences are provided to the LNAV from the GPSNAV/303 combination. So the L-Nav does not transmit NMEA, it expects to receive them? We need to do something similar for the LXNAV V7 to get full feature support, the last tiny piece that is missing in XCSoar. Yes, we could do that. Is there a ticket already? If not, please write one. And be ready to test our binaries. None of us has a L-Nav. Maybe somebody out there has a spare one and likes to donate it to the XCSoar project? That is usually the best way to guarantee maximum compatibility. |
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XCSoar With LNAV?
At 08:04 16 March 2013, Max Kellermann wrote:
On Saturday, March 16, 2013 6:27:31 AM UTC+1, wrote: Max and XCSoar Team [...] Normally these 3 sentences are provided to the LNAV from the GPSNAV/303 combination. So the L-Nav does not transmit NMEA, it expects to receive them? We need to do something similar for the LXNAV V7 to get full feature support, the last tiny piece that is missing in XCSoar. Yes, we could do that. Is there a ticket already? If not, please write one. And be ready to test our binaries. None of us has a L-Nav. Maybe somebody out there has a spare one and likes to donate it to the XCSoar project? That is usually the best way to guarantee maximum compatibility. We use GPS-NAV devices in combination with LX160. GPS-NAV sends information also about the target, so with that LX160 can be used as a final glide computer. At the moment we have made the cabling so, that GPS-NAV sends NMEA to the RX of the LX160, and TX of the LX160 send data to XCSoat over Soartronic IOIO. If we have a possibility to send NMEA data with GPS position and target to devices like LX160 and VW921, they could use it for their final glide calculation, build-in wind calculation, etc. Both LX160 and VW921 can only send data to XCSoar, the receiving side of the serial comm is used to listen external GPS source, like GPS-NAV. Since the baudrate is same, should be relatively easy. Maybe the NMEA our does that already, but cannot be configured to send into the same port that is used for incoming data. Downloading logger data from GPS-NAV would be great! It is really nice back-up logger with navigating display. |
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XCSoar With LNAV?
At 08:04 16 March 2013, Max Kellermann wrote:
On Saturday, March 16, 2013 6:27:31 AM UTC+1, wrote: Max and XCSoar Team [...] Normally these 3 sentences are provided to the LNAV from the GPSNAV/303 combination. So the L-Nav does not transmit NMEA, it expects to receive them? We need to do something similar for the LXNAV V7 to get full feature support, the last tiny piece that is missing in XCSoar. Yes, we could do that. Is there a ticket already? If not, please write one. And be ready to test our binaries. None of us has a L-Nav. Maybe somebody out there has a spare one and likes to donate it to the XCSoar project? That is usually the best way to guarantee maximum compatibility. We use GPS-NAV devices in combination with LX160. GPS-NAV sends information also about the target, so with that LX160 can be used as a final glide computer. At the moment we have made the cabling so, that GPS-NAV sends NMEA to the RX of the LX160, and TX of the LX160 send data to XCSoat over Soartronic IOIO. If we have a possibility to send NMEA data with GPS position and target to devices like LX160 and VW921, they could use it for their final glide calculation, build-in wind calculation, etc. Both LX160 and VW921 can only send data to XCSoar, the receiving side of the serial comm is used to listen external GPS source, like GPS-NAV. Since the baudrate is same, should be relatively easy. Maybe the NMEA our does that already, but cannot be configured to send into the same port that is used for incoming data. Downloading logger data from GPS-NAV would be great! It is really nice back-up logger with navigating display. |
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Can't you read the wind from the LNAV/GPSNAV and manually input it into
XCSoar? Not realtime, but pretty close. "Morgan" wrote in message ... Hi Paul, I don't have the time to develop the C+ skills to work on getting communication working between the L-NAV and XCSoar right now so I probably don't need the comm spec. I do know a pilot that has sent me something of the sentence structure that the L-NAV uses when communicating with the GPS Nav. I think that could possibly be used for getting data into XCSoar, but I haven't seen what all it can support. I actually am quite happy leaving them disconnected from each other at this point. It allows me to leave XCSoar at a higher MC value or at least with a larger polar degradation buffer and experiment with the L-Nav MC value for more aggressive flying. I do miss XCSoar having real-time wind info on a long glide though. Morgan On Friday, March 15, 2013 7:10:59 PM UTC-7, Paul Remde wrote: Hi Morgan, By "L-NAV" do you mean an L-NAV and GPS-NAV combination? The L-NAV does not send any data out to soaring flight software. It can send data to a GPS-NAV. The GPS-NAV then sends the vario and GPS data out to the soaring flight software. I have the L-NAV and GPS-NAV dataport specification if you need it. Best Regards, Paul Remde Cumulus Soaring, Inc. __________________________ "Morgan" wrote in message ... I have XCSoar running on a Dell Streak 5 and wanted to look into connecting to the L-Nav in my glider. I have an IOIO board, but I believe the real problem is that the L-Nav doesn't use the same protocol as the 302. XCSoar essentially doesn't have the right driver for the L-Nav and so far none of the developers have a need to configure a driver for the L-Nav or the hardware to actually do it. I suspect there are many potential users of that configuration, but it will take a user with the drive and the skillset to augment the XCSoar code with the necessary pieces to support the L-Nav. Hans has some useful info on his website about connecting GPS data to an L-Nav. https://sites.google.com/site/threeuniform/lnav Morgan On Monday, March 11, 2013 8:04:08 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote: I just had a quick look behind one's panel but it doesn't look like there's any place to plug in the serial to Bluetooth device without unplugging something else. Maybe the GPS control head... " On Monday, March 11, 2013 12:51:59 AM UTC+1, Dan Marotta wrote: Can their Androids be interfaced to the LNAV via K6-BT or IOIO? I have never used any of these products, but usually K6Bt and IOIO works just like a cable would. |
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XCSoar With LNAV?
Bill,
Do the files you've placed in your XCSoarData folder have the proper suffixes (.sua, .cup., .txt, .xcm)? Are you using the ConfigConfigSystemSite FilesSite Files process in the XCSoar program? I posted the following on google drive for a friend. Assuming you're interested in the USA, here are the files to get you started: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B56G...EwMzdjMGc/edit - rename this one All_USA.sua. This is your special use airspace for the entire US. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B56G...l5dGJhTWs/edit - rename this one United_States.cup. This is all the turnpoints/airports in the USA. You'll need to generate your own terrain map. Go to XCSoar.org and follow the links to create and download a terrain map for your area. Hope this helps. "Bill T" wrote in message ... I've picked up a new Android (Ice Crème Sandwich) phone (Galaxy Stratosphere) and have installed the latest 6.5.1 XCSoar app. But I am not having any luck getting the program to recognize the data files for airspace, airports and turn points that I have loaded into the XCSoarData folder. I have been able to create two different glider profiles and can see them in the XCSoarData folder. Any ideas? Bill T On Sunday, March 10, 2013 4:51:59 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote: I've got a couple of friends who have acquired Androids and installed XCSoar. Both of their gliders have LNAV and GPS-NAV installed. Can their Androids be interfaced to the LNAV via K6-BT or IOIO? It was easy connecting with my 302 and K6-BT... Dan, 5J |
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Dan,
Yes, this is what I do if the situation warrants it, like wave or significant winds. Since I have the full L-NAV, GPS-NAV setup I can rely on that for final glide type info. With 6+ of XCSoar, they really improved the easy of manual wind entry so you are correct, it's pretty trivial. Morgan On Saturday, March 16, 2013 8:55:25 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote: Can't you read the wind from the LNAV/GPSNAV and manually input it into XCSoar? Not realtime, but pretty close. "Morgan" wrote in message ... Hi Paul, I don't have the time to develop the C+ skills to work on getting communication working between the L-NAV and XCSoar right now so I probably don't need the comm spec. I do know a pilot that has sent me something of the sentence structure that the L-NAV uses when communicating with the GPS Nav. I think that could possibly be used for getting data into XCSoar, but I haven't seen what all it can support. I actually am quite happy leaving them disconnected from each other at this point. It allows me to leave XCSoar at a higher MC value or at least with a larger polar degradation buffer and experiment with the L-Nav MC value for more aggressive flying. I do miss XCSoar having real-time wind info on a long glide though. Morgan On Friday, March 15, 2013 7:10:59 PM UTC-7, Paul Remde wrote: Hi Morgan, By "L-NAV" do you mean an L-NAV and GPS-NAV combination? The L-NAV does not send any data out to soaring flight software. It can send data to a GPS-NAV. The GPS-NAV then sends the vario and GPS data out to the soaring flight software. I have the L-NAV and GPS-NAV dataport specification if you need it. Best Regards, Paul Remde Cumulus Soaring, Inc. __________________________ "Morgan" wrote in message ... I have XCSoar running on a Dell Streak 5 and wanted to look into connecting to the L-Nav in my glider. I have an IOIO board, but I believe the real problem is that the L-Nav doesn't use the same protocol as the 302. XCSoar essentially doesn't have the right driver for the L-Nav and so far none of the developers have a need to configure a driver for the L-Nav or the hardware to actually do it. I suspect there are many potential users of that configuration, but it will take a user with the drive and the skillset to augment the XCSoar code with the necessary pieces to support the L-Nav. Hans has some useful info on his website about connecting GPS data to an L-Nav. https://sites.google.com/site/threeuniform/lnav Morgan On Monday, March 11, 2013 8:04:08 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote: I just had a quick look behind one's panel but it doesn't look like there's any place to plug in the serial to Bluetooth device without unplugging something else. Maybe the GPS control head... " On Monday, March 11, 2013 12:51:59 AM UTC+1, Dan Marotta wrote: Can their Androids be interfaced to the LNAV via K6-BT or IOIO? I have never used any of these products, but usually K6Bt and IOIO works just like a cable would. |
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Thanks Dan, I believe I have the correct suffixes, files I got from others in the club. Yes I am using the config program in XCSoar, but I'll check again.
I sent a note to get access to the googledocs files. Bill On Saturday, March 16, 2013 9:16:42 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote: Bill, Do the files you've placed in your XCSoarData folder have the proper suffixes (.sua, .cup., .txt, .xcm)? Are you using the ConfigConfigSystemSite FilesSite Files process in the XCSoar program? I posted the following on google drive for a friend. Assuming you're interested in the USA, here are the files to get you started: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B56G...EwMzdjMGc/edit - rename this one All_USA.sua. This is your special use airspace for the entire US. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B56G...l5dGJhTWs/edit - rename this one United_States.cup. This is all the turnpoints/airports in the USA. You'll need to generate your own terrain map. Go to XCSoar.org and follow the links to create and download a terrain map for your area. Hope this helps. "Bill T" wrote in message ... I've picked up a new Android (Ice Crème Sandwich) phone (Galaxy Stratosphere) and have installed the latest 6.5.1 XCSoar app. But I am not having any luck getting the program to recognize the data files for airspace, airports and turn points that I have loaded into the XCSoarData folder. I have been able to create two different glider profiles and can see them in the XCSoarData folder. Any ideas? Bill T |
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Thanks Dan, got it up and running.
Although the CUP file name does not show in the file setup screen, the points appear to be there. I was able to create a task on the android phone, Bluetooth upload task to LX Nano, and used the Nano GPS output on Bluetooth to drive XCSoar after I disabled the internal phone gps. Bill |
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Glad to help, Bill.
I kept the internal GPS on the Streak enabled, but the second choice in XCSoar. First choice is the K6BT and the CAI-302 driver. That way, should the Bluetooth link drop, XCSoar will still run on the internal GPS. I can also demonstrate the device or play with new releases without going to the airport. "Bill T" wrote in message ... Thanks Dan, got it up and running. Although the CUP file name does not show in the file setup screen, the points appear to be there. I was able to create a task on the android phone, Bluetooth upload task to LX Nano, and used the Nano GPS output on Bluetooth to drive XCSoar after I disabled the internal phone gps. Bill |
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XCSoar With LNAV?
Hi all,
I am trying to set up a new system in my ship which consists of the following: LX 160, Nano 4, Samsung Tab running XCSoar. I would like to use the XCSoar as my PFD and would like to have the Nano GPS and Baro data on it as well as the LX160 Airspeed and TE. Is this possible and how would the arrangement be? Thanks a lot Jean du Plessis |
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