Logging instrument approaches

"Slav Inger" wrote in message ...
It's been awhile since I flew VFR, and having taken a cursory look
through Part 61 I didn't see anything to the contrary, so I'm going to
throw this out and see what you guys think. It's my understanding that
I can take a VFR-only airplane on a local VFR trip with a PP-rated
safety pilot on board, wear foggles, shoot simulated instrument
approaches and log those approaches as instrument approaches AND log the
entire time as PIC. Correct or incorrect?

The only requirement to log instrument time is to fly the aircraft by reference
to instruments in simulated or actual conditions. There is no requirement
for the aircraft (or the pilot) to be rated for IFR (as long as they don't actually
operate under IFR).

On a similar note (and this one I'm less sure about than my original
question), is there any way the safety pilot can log the time he spends
being the safety pilot? I know my logging requirements as PIC under
simulated instrument conditions (SP's name, etc), but I'm not exactly
sure what the SP himself can log. Thanks.

- Slav Inger
- PP ASEL IA @ YIP

Slav Inger wrote:

On a similar note (and this one I'm less sure about than my original
question), is there any way the safety pilot can log the time he spends
being the safety pilot? I know my logging requirements as PIC under
simulated instrument conditions (SP's name, etc), but I'm not exactly
sure what the SP himself can log. Thanks.


Oh, almost forgot: I don't think I can split the cost of the flight with
the safety pilot, can I? Since I wanted to go practice instrument
approaches and asked/needed someone to be my safety pilot, the SP is no
longer "just a passenger". Since his presence in the airplane is not
coincidental, I'm assuming that I can't charge him 50% of the cost.

- Slav Inger
- PP ASEL IA @ YIP

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:09:37 -0400, Slav Inger
wrote:

Oh, almost forgot: I don't think I can split the cost of the flight with
the safety pilot, can I? Since I wanted to go practice instrument
approaches and asked/needed someone to be my safety pilot, the SP is no
longer "just a passenger". Since his presence in the airplane is not
coincidental, I'm assuming that I can't charge him 50% of the cost.

I don't see why not. You're sharing the flight and you're both logging
flight time. The rule about sharing costs is designed to prevent you
from charging people for acting as a pilot, not to prevent two pilots
from sharing the cost of an airplane that they both get a benefit
from.

Mark Kolber
APA/Denver, Colorado
www.midlifeflight.com
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Oh, almost forgot: I don't think I can split the cost of the flight with
the safety pilot, can I? Since I wanted to go practice instrument
approaches and asked/needed someone to be my safety pilot, the SP is no
longer "just a passenger". Since his presence in the airplane is not
coincidental, I'm assuming that I can't charge him 50% of the cost.

In the literal sense of the word, you can't "charge" him anything
without holding a commercial ticket. You have by the way, ruffled my
feathers here. First, I, personally, wouldn't ask a stranger to ride safety
for me. Second, asking someone I know and trust to ride safety for me is
asking them for a favor and I wouldn't have the temerity to require them to
compensate me for doing that favor. I dunno, sounds kind of rude... "Hey
Billy Bob, will you pay me $50 an hour to be my safety pilot?"

Casey Wilson wrote:

First, I, personally, wouldn't ask a stranger to ride safety
for me. Second, asking someone I know and trust to ride safety for me is
asking them for a favor and I wouldn't have the temerity to require them to
compensate me for doing that favor. I dunno, sounds kind of rude... "Hey
Billy Bob, will you pay me $50 an hour to be my safety pilot?"


Close but no cigar, Casey. First, he's not a stranger, I've known and
been flying with this person for quite a while. Second, I never asked
for money on any of the trips we've taken together, and at times when he
voluntarily offered I always took significantly less than the 50%. All
I was asking here was, IF he offers me anything on his own initiative,
is it legal to accept up to 50% of the cost. Apparently it is.

P.S. I'll agree that the using word "charge" in my post came across a
bit too strong, so I see where you're coming from.

- Slav Inger
- PP ASEL IA @ YIP