Best Single Pilot IFR Plane

We are looking for land right now so my wife can get another horse, she has to
board hers at a stable and she does not like doing it.
Land in vegas is way way over priced. So 350k for 2.5 acres, if it had a house
on it, would not be bad at all. 2.5 acres with nothing on it...not a chance.

Kevin wrote:

Jeff wrote:
starts at 350k?
is that just the land or the house also?

That is just for a lot approx 2.5 Acres. That would buy you a nice bird !


Kevin wrote:


Jeff wrote:

maybe you should list a price range you was wanting answers for
check out what John Travoltas flies
http://www.ipilot.com/forum/message....id=42554#42554


You bet, lots in the airpark he lives in start at $350K.

/www.jumbolair.com/


Charles Talleyrand wrote:



There must be people on the newsgroup that fly single pilot
IFR on a regular basis. These people have a schedule to make
and would rather not miss that schedule unless necessary. These people
don't have the need to carry many passengers, but just themselves.
My question is for these people ...

What sort of planes are you flying?

I already have an airplane, Turbo Arrow III
since my airplane was more then her horse, she feels that she should be
able to get another horse, as soon as we get some land to put it on that
is (and moving to the midwest where its cheaper is out of the question).

Jeff
http://www.turboarrow3.com


Paul Sengupta wrote:

"Kevin" wrote in message
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Jeff wrote:
starts at 350k?
That would buy you a nice bird !

Or you could get a plane.

Paul

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
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Not even close to the best. I have a friend with part of one (Netjets
share) . With the two pilots and two average size passengers and a
Labrador
it can't go from San Diego to Sun Valley without refueling in a modest
headwind if its warm.

Wrong.

The problem is that at FL350 it will only go about
350kts and even a modest headwind at that altitude is well over 100kts.

At FL350, it does 371 to 385, depending on weight.

I
forget which engines the CJ1 uses but the engines in the CitationJet
cycled
out pretty fast so if you weren't flying long legs the engines would cycle
out well before overhaul.

Geez...since you're so omniscient, I think you'd know that data. The engines
in the CJ/CJ1 are VERY different from the old 500 series.

http://www.williams-int.com/product/1a.htm

Piaggio and Premier are much better.

One a vibrator, the other isn't SP certified.

Geez!!!

"Jeff" wrote:

Land in vegas is way way over priced. So 350k for 2.5 acres, if it had a house
on it, would not be bad at all. 2.5 acres with nothing on it...not a chance.

Overpriced?

$350,000 around here gets you about 950 sq ft upstairs of a one car garage
on no land whatsoever.

The assessed value of my assigned tiedown location at PAO is $4413. Mind
you this is (generously) 1200 sq ft of some of the most undesirable land
around, on a flood plain between a swamp and a garbage dump. I get to pay
property tax on it even though I rent it month to month. Do the math, and
that's over $400,000 for 2.5 acres of PAO tiedown space. No house, just a
thin layer of asphalt and 90 sets of tiedown ropes.

We looked at houses (and land) from big bear to LA county - orange county, houses
are expensive there no doubt, thats a reason we never moved to california. Plus I
dont speak spanish. Only english.
Also Nevada does not have corporate income taxes so its a desirable place to
incorporate (I have an s-corp) nor do we have state taxes. So there is a reason
california seems to be moving to nevada and arizona.

I was not able to see the math you did on the 400k , you pay taxes on your tiedown
spot, but you didnt say how much yearly.

Your tie down spot for your airplane is different then someone who is purchasing a
home or land. Just like the tiedown I pay for monthly and the boarding for my wife's
horse (which is more then my airplane).



Craig Prouse wrote:

"Jeff" wrote:

Land in vegas is way way over priced. So 350k for 2.5 acres, if it had a house
on it, would not be bad at all. 2.5 acres with nothing on it...not a chance.

Overpriced?

$350,000 around here gets you about 950 sq ft upstairs of a one car garage
on no land whatsoever.

The assessed value of my assigned tiedown location at PAO is $4413. Mind
you this is (generously) 1200 sq ft of some of the most undesirable land
around, on a flood plain between a swamp and a garbage dump. I get to pay
property tax on it even though I rent it month to month. Do the math, and
that's over $400,000 for 2.5 acres of PAO tiedown space. No house, just a
thin layer of asphalt and 90 sets of tiedown ropes.

"Jeff" wrote:

I was not able to see the math you did on the 400k , you pay taxes on your
tiedown spot, but you didnt say how much yearly.

Schools fail to emphasize that without the facility to solve "story
problems," there is not really any point in teaching arithmetic.

You don't need to know the size of my tax bill to figure the value of the
land. You just need to figure out how many of my tiedown spots would fit in
2.5 acres, then multiply by the value of the tiedown spot. I hinted at that
when I specified the number of sets of tiedowns.


Your tie down spot for your airplane is different then someone who is
purchasing a home or land.

That's not to say that the other two "R"s have not suffered as well.

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:23:04 -0800, Jeff wrote:

I already have an airplane, Turbo Arrow III
since my airplane was more then her horse, she feels that she should be
able to get another horse, as soon as we get some land to put it on that
is (and moving to the midwest where its cheaper is out of the question).


Doesn't sound good... until you consider the oppotunities that come with
the extra land... like your own runway )


Jeff
http://www.turboarrow3.com


Paul Sengupta wrote:

"Kevin" wrote in message
news:_d9zb.282817$9E1.1469781@attbi_s52...
Jeff wrote:
starts at 350k?
That would buy you a nice bird !

Or you could get a plane.

Paul




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....And so as the little andrex puppy of time scampers onto the busy
dual-carriage way of destiny, and the extra-strong meet vindaloo of fate
confronts the toilet Out Of Order sign of eternity...

After reading this thread, I'm glad I live where I do (CNH). Although
we do have to deal with New England weather, I don't think you can buy a
house for $350K. You'd have to get a house, a bunch of land, and maybe
another small house. As for the airport, fuel is self-serve at $2.45
something, and T-hangar space is $120/month (that's not a typo). I
share a 172 with 4 others. Can't fly for much cheaper than that. (Of
course, a nicer/faster/better plane would always be a good thing.)

Dan

Jeff wrote:
We are looking for land right now so my wife can get another horse, she has to
board hers at a stable and she does not like doing it.
Land in vegas is way way over priced. So 350k for 2.5 acres, if it had a house
on it, would not be bad at all. 2.5 acres with nothing on it...not a chance.

Kevin wrote:


Jeff wrote:

starts at 350k?
is that just the land or the house also?


That is just for a lot approx 2.5 Acres. That would buy you a nice bird !


Kevin wrote:



Jeff wrote:


maybe you should list a price range you was wanting answers for
check out what John Travoltas flies
http://www.ipilot.com/forum/message....id=42554#42554


You bet, lots in the airpark he lives in start at $350K.

/www.jumbolair.com/



Charles Talleyrand wrote:




There must be people on the newsgroup that fly single pilot
IFR on a regular basis. These people have a schedule to make
and would rather not miss that schedule unless necessary. These people
don't have the need to carry many passengers, but just themselves.
My question is for these people ...

What sort of planes are you flying?





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"Tom S." wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
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Not even close to the best. I have a friend with part of one (Netjets
share) . With the two pilots and two average size passengers and a
Labrador
it can't go from San Diego to Sun Valley without refueling in a modest
headwind if its warm.

Wrong.

It is a fact.


The problem is that at FL350 it will only go about
350kts and even a modest headwind at that altitude is well over 100kts.

At FL350, it does 371 to 385, depending on weight.

Its pretty obvious that you are getting your info from their marketing
materials and have never owned or flown a turbine plane. The Cessna
marketing data is all based on ISA temperatures and the real temperatures in
the US are ISA +10C to ISA +20C extracting a huge performance penalty.

I
forget which engines the CJ1 uses but the engines in the CitationJet
cycled
out pretty fast so if you weren't flying long legs the engines would
cycle
out well before overhaul.

Geez...since you're so omniscient, I think you'd know that data. The
engines
in the CJ/CJ1 are VERY different from the old 500 series.

Again you seem to be operating from total ignorance. The CitationJet uses
F44-1A engines


http://www.williams-int.com/product/1a.htm

Piaggio and Premier are much better.

One a vibrator,
The Avanti is considerably quieter than the CJ1/2


the other isn't SP certified.

It isn't? Check again

Mike
MU-2

"Charles Talleyrand" wrote
There must be people on the newsgroup that fly single pilot
IFR on a regular basis. These people have a schedule to make
and would rather not miss that schedule unless necessary. These people
don't have the need to carry many passengers, but just themselves.
My question is for these people ...

What sort of planes are you flying?

Well, I'm flying a Twin Comanche. This works for me because most of
my flying happens in the Gulf Coast region. If I'm outside that
region, I'm on a vacation trip and have significant flexibility.

The reason this works in the Gulf Coast - it's flat (MEA's are well
below the single engine service ceiling of my airplane) so turbos are
not necessary and combined IMC and icing down to the MEA's is
extremely rare (maybe once every few years) so deice capability is not
necessary. Embedded thunderstorms are the norm for IMC most of the
year, so weather avoidance is necessary. I have a stormscope for
that.

You have to realize that in a different part of the country, the
answer changes. In the Rockies, you probably need turbos, boots, and
RADAR to make it work. Also, there just are not that many people
using a personal airplane in this manner.

Michael