Flying Thru Congested Areas

'Tis also a point that per AIM, one is actually supposed to begin
and end the direct portion of the flight over a ground based
navaid, and include at least one waypoint defining the route
for each ARTCC -- I presume due to the limitations of the ATC
computers.


I just talked to local FSS (Green Bay), and they say that filing
direct...KISW (Wisconsin Rapids) to KHEF (Manassas, VA) is an acceptable
route. The end points have ground reference NAVAIDs. But, at least
Green Bay does not think I would require intermediate waypoints. I
wonder if the AIM guidance is out of date? Besides, how does one find
out where the limits of the ARTCC's are....look for the scraggly lines
in the Enroute IFR charts? What if your direct flight does not happen
to go through a NAVAID in an ARTCC?

-Sami

"O. Sami Saydjari" wrote in message
...

I just talked to local FSS (Green Bay), and they say that filing
direct...KISW (Wisconsin Rapids) to KHEF (Manassas, VA) is an acceptable
route.


That's true as long as the Minneapolis Center computer has KHEF stored, that
may not be the case.



The end points have ground reference NAVAIDs. But, at least
Green Bay does not think I would require intermediate waypoints. I
wonder if the AIM guidance is out of date? Besides, how does one find
out where the limits of the ARTCC's are....look for the scraggly lines
in the Enroute IFR charts?


Bingo.



What if your direct flight does not happen
to go through a NAVAID in an ARTCC?


All that matters is that each ARTCC computer recognizes the fixes it's asked
to process. It doesn't matter if those fixes are navaids, airports, or
intersections.

"Steven P. McNicoll"
That's true as long as the Minneapolis Center computer has KHEF stored,
that
may not be the case.

And if not, if you supply it they will take it, yes?

"Maule Driver" wrote in message
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And if not, if you supply it they will take it, yes?


Yes.

In article , Jeff
writes:

I have this urge to try to protect my plane so it can fly again ..I would
probably choose a gear up landing also if I had to ditch in the desert, that
way the tires dont catch the rocks and hopefully not flip the plane. Bu
tthis
also assumes I am not over a mountain which are plentiful.
But I think most of the desert would be safer then tree's or tree stumps.


Careful with that Idea that you want to protect the plane to fly again. Much
better to protect you and passengers to fly again. I attended a "How to crash
you plane and survive" lecture some years ago. I remember he said that if you
stop the passanger capsule in 20 ft (or more) the passengers (with sholder
belt) will probably have only minor injuries. So how do you do that? One, the
plane belongs to the insurance company, don't try to save it. Find something
that will hit the wings before the wheels touch the ground. Small trees (not
head on) or bushes, a field of full grown corn, etc. Get the cabin slowed down
by the wings and YOUR chances improve. I'm not sure that I would be smart
enough to do this since the urge to land as normal as possible is intutive but
then surviving is not always intutive (smoking, drinking, couch potatoes,
etc.).

Chuck