Flight Following question

"A Lieberma" wrote in message
. 18

Or you can just file an ATC flight plan
for VFR flight following. That automatically puts you into the
system.

Filing VFR flight plan DOES NOT put you in the system. It's only for
search and rescue, nothing more.

You don't activate the flight plan with ATC, but with FSS on a VFR
flight plan.

You're both right.

A traditional VFR flight plan is as you describe, but it is also possible to
file a flight plan for VFR flight in the ATC system. In fact, this is
exactly what happens for every VFR flight in the Washington DC ADIZ.

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-----Original Message-----
From: A Lieberma ]
Posted At: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:16 PM
Posted To: rec.aviation.ifr
Conversation: Flight Following question
Subject: Flight Following question

....
Is there a NOTAM on that somewhere for a non IFR pretaxi clearance
frequency? Just checked DUATS, and they only have the following
frequencies:


Nope, it's on the ATIS announcement.

UNICOM 122.950
JONESBORO FSS (JBR) 1-800-WX-BRIEF NOTAM FILE LIT
APCH/P DEP/P CLASS C 119.5(222-041)
APCH/P DEP/P CLASS C IC 135.4(042-221)
ATIS 125.65(501-324-2618)
CD/P PTC 118.95
EMERG 121.5
GND/P 121.9
IC 135.4
LCL/P 118.7

What you describe above *almost* sounds normal for me as I would do
the
following for departing Little Rock based on my DUATS briefing:

Get ATIS 125.65
Contact Clearance and Delivery for my VFR intentions (or IFR) 118.95
Contact ground for taxiing 121.9
Contact Tower 118.7 for departure
Contact departure frequency 119.5 or 135.4

Allen

I'm typically used to calling CD only for special VFR or IFR clearances.
I found it unusual for a VFR CD requirement, especially when the same
voice seems to answer both CD and GND.

-----Original Message-----
From: Milen Lazarov ]
Posted At: Saturday, December 09, 2006 11:23 PM
Posted To: rec.aviation.ifr
Conversation: Flight Following question
Subject: Flight Following question

....
He did not say to file a VFR flight plan, he said an ATC flight plan
for
VFR
flight following - you check the IFR box, put VFR or VFR/altitude in
the
altitude box.

-Milen

Do you have any quick references for that Milen? I've never heard of an
IFR flight plan with "VFR" in the enroute altitude box. Or are you
referring to filing VFR-on-top? If so, that's a lot different than just
requesting flight following for VFR flights.

"Jim Carter" wrote in news:000601c71c5c$d669dee0$4b01a8c0@omnibook6100:

Do you have any quick references for that Milen? I've never heard of an
IFR flight plan with "VFR" in the enroute altitude box. Or are you
referring to filing VFR-on-top? If so, that's a lot different than just
requesting flight following for VFR flights.

Hey Jim,

Did a little research myself and found the following

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:...&ct=clnk&cd=13

See 1155 A. Flight planning.

Sounds to me that what he is doing is fudging the system by filing an IFR flight plan
and annotating it with VFR references in the remarks.

I know when you select the IFR box, it does generate a flight strip to ATC, and that
would be an IFR filing naturally.

Selecting VFR does not generate a flight strip to ATC, nor is a filing with ATC to obtain an
ATC clearance.

To my knowledge, you don't get clearances on VFR operations EXCEPT for class B entry, take offs and landings.

Canada on the other hand does use ATC flight plan for VFR operations. See

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:... ct=clnk&cd=1

Allen

Stan Prevost wrote:
: Flight Following questionJim, as others have indicated, it can be variable.
: I have had most luck with "Request flight following to destination" or
: "Request to be put into the system for flight following to destination". Or
: you can just file an ATC flight plan for VFR flight following. That
: automatically puts you into the system.

I've got a VFR friend who always files (but doesn't open) an IFR flight plan for longer cross-countries. That way, the
flight is in the system for the whole route, so it's (at least alegedly) easier for the controller to find. Not sure how much
truth there is to that, but it does make some sense.

-Cory


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As Milen says, check IFR (it is not an IFR flight plan, that is just a
routing flag for ATC vs FSS), put VFR or VFR/120 for 12,000 feet or whatever
your filed altitude is. I also add VFR Flight Following in Remarks to
clarify my intent for some controllers who are not very familiar with the
practice. I recommend only doing this through DUAT/S, as most FSS personnel
are unfamiliar with it.

Stan


"Jim Carter" wrote in message
news:000601c71c5c$d669dee0$4b01a8c0@omnibook6100.. .


-----Original Message-----
From: Milen Lazarov ]
Posted At: Saturday, December 09, 2006 11:23 PM
Posted To: rec.aviation.ifr
Conversation: Flight Following question
Subject: Flight Following question

...
He did not say to file a VFR flight plan, he said an ATC flight plan
for
VFR
flight following - you check the IFR box, put VFR or VFR/altitude in
the
altitude box.

-Milen

Do you have any quick references for that Milen? I've never heard of an
IFR flight plan with "VFR" in the enroute altitude box. Or are you
referring to filing VFR-on-top? If so, that's a lot different than just
requesting flight following for VFR flights.

"Stan Prevost" wrote in
:

As Milen says, check IFR (it is not an IFR flight plan,

Call it what you want, but the form on top says FAA Flight plan.

1.Type is either VFR or IFR.

If you select IFR, you are filing a IFR flight plan. No grey zone about
it, all you are doing is fudging the system to get a plan routed to ATC.

VFR flight plans are not routed to ATC period.

Allen

Jim Carter wrote:

So far, every time I come out of ROG and request flight following to it
doesn’t matter where, I get a discrete squawk that allows departure to
hand me off to Memphis Center, or Dallas, or Kansas City. Coming out of
LIT however I’ve never been given anything except a local code and then
about 15 miles out the familiar “radar advisories terminated, squawk
VFR, have a nice day”.

I specifically tested this twice on Friday, making sure that when I
called up clearance delivery and then ground that I made it very plain
that I was requesting flight following. Both times, again they dumped me
from the system between 15 and 20 miles out. The second time, I forced
the issue and stated that I was requesting flight following for the
enroute segment if able. I was then given a Memphis enroute code and
handed off within about 10 miles.

That happens based on the experience of the tower, same thing happens
here. Fully 99% of the aircraft do not want FF past my airspace.
Therefore everybody gets terminated. For the odd duck that wants it he
has to request it in plain language and we will give him the service.
Just state to ground control that you want FF with the center.

A Lieberma wrote:

"Stan Prevost" wrote in
:

Or you can just file an ATC flight plan
for VFR flight following. That automatically puts you into the
system.


Filing VFR flight plan DOES NOT put you in the system. It's only for
search and rescue, nothing more.

You don't activate the flight plan with ATC, but with FSS on a VFR flight
plan.

What he meant was to file an IFR flight plan except to put VFR as the
altitude. That would generate a strip just like an IFR aircraft but
when you put that transponder code in the data block on the radar scope
shows you as a VFR aircraft.

Jim Carter wrote:



I'm typically used to calling CD only for special VFR or IFR clearances.
I found it unusual for a VFR CD requirement, especially when the same
voice seems to answer both CD and GND.

If it's the same guy it doesn't matter what frequncy you use.