Question on FAA knowledge test endorsements.

Simple question (for everyone but me!):

Is the CFI endorsement to take a private pilot test for a specific category
(e.g. airplane, rotorcraft, glider) or a category and class (e.g. airplane,
single engine land) or some other classsification (e.g. fixed-wing), or not
category or class specific?

I ask because I thought I would take some winter down time to work on
passing the knowledge test needed to earn a private pilot, glider
certificate. I do not hold any previous certificates (other than student
pilot.)

I was training at a glider club this summer and ground training was not
something they normally did - the local community college offers ground
school courses a couple times a year - but the next class doesn't start
till spring. I asked what other options they knew about and they thought
courses offered by King and Sporty's might be a possibility. That sounded
plausible but their DVD courses looked airplane-centric, so I contacted
Sporty's. I asked them if I passed their Private Pilot DVD course and got
an endorsement from them, would that endorsement allow me to take the
knowledge test for a private pilot, glider rating? Their answer was:

"The Private Pilot on line course endorsement is for the private pilot
fixed wing test.

Glider information is not covered in the course and the endorsement will
not include glider."

The "fixed wing" part kinda threw me - and now I'm even more confused. I
had no idea the tests had yet another classification - one in which gliders
aren't fixed wing aircraft! Geez - I hope there aren't any questions on the
FAA knowledge tests about the FAA knowledge tests - at this point I'd
flunk! :-)

On Nov 20, 10:57*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
Simple question (for everyone but me!):

Is the CFI endorsement to take a private pilot test for a specific category
(e.g. airplane, rotorcraft, glider) or a category and class (e.g. airplane,
single engine land) or some other classsification (e.g. fixed-wing), or not
category or class specific?

I ask because I thought I would take some winter down time to work on
passing the knowledge test needed to earn a private pilot, glider
certificate. I do not hold any previous certificates (other than student
pilot.)

I was training at a glider club this summer and ground training was not
something they normally did - the local community college offers ground
school courses a couple times a year - but the next class doesn't start
till spring. I asked what other options they knew about and they thought
courses offered by King and Sporty's might be a possibility. That sounded
plausible but their DVD courses looked airplane-centric, so I contacted
Sporty's. I asked them if I passed their Private Pilot DVD course and got
an endorsement from them, would that endorsement allow me to take the
knowledge test for a private pilot, glider rating? Their answer was:

"The Private Pilot on line course endorsement is for the private pilot
fixed wing test.

Glider information is not covered in the course and the endorsement will
not include glider."

The "fixed wing" part kinda threw me - and now I'm even more confused. I
had no idea the tests had yet another classification - one in which gliders
aren't fixed wing aircraft! Geez - I hope there aren't any questions on the
FAA knowledge tests about the FAA knowledge tests - at this point I'd
flunk! :-)

http://www.gliderpilotsgroundschool.com/

http://www.gliderpilotsgroundschool.com/

This may just be a personal pet peeve only, but, ignore the web site's
home page showing the profile of a glider pilot wearing a baseball cap
blocking a lot of sky above..... stick to a bucket hat with a narrow
floppy brim to look cool.

Back to my nit picking.......

On Nov 20, 9:57*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
Simple question (for everyone but me!):

Is the CFI endorsement to take a private pilot test for a specific category
(e.g. airplane, rotorcraft, glider) or a category and class (e.g. airplane,
single engine land) or some other classsification (e.g. fixed-wing), or not
category or class specific?

I ask because I thought I would take some winter down time to work on
passing the knowledge test needed to earn a private pilot, glider
certificate. I do not hold any previous certificates (other than student
pilot.)

I was training at a glider club this summer and ground training was not
something they normally did - the local community college offers ground
school courses a couple times a year - but the next class doesn't start
till spring. I asked what other options they knew about and they thought
courses offered by King and Sporty's might be a possibility. That sounded
plausible but their DVD courses looked airplane-centric, so I contacted
Sporty's. I asked them if I passed their Private Pilot DVD course and got
an endorsement from them, would that endorsement allow me to take the
knowledge test for a private pilot, glider rating? Their answer was:

"The Private Pilot on line course endorsement is for the private pilot
fixed wing test.

Glider information is not covered in the course and the endorsement will
not include glider."

The "fixed wing" part kinda threw me - and now I'm even more confused. I
had no idea the tests had yet another classification - one in which gliders
aren't fixed wing aircraft! Geez - I hope there aren't any questions on the
FAA knowledge tests about the FAA knowledge tests - at this point I'd
flunk! :-)

In addition to studying the books your instructor will no doubt
recommend, go he
http://www.exams4pilots.org/
and set it up for 'Private Pilot - Glider' .
Take practice tests endlessly instead of playing Freecell on your
computer.

In rec.aviation.soaring Jim Logajan wrote:
"The Private Pilot on line course endorsement is for the private pilot
fixed wing test.

Glider information is not covered in the course and the endorsement will
not include glider."

The "fixed wing" part kinda threw me - and now I'm even more confused. I
had no idea the tests had yet another classification - one in which gliders
aren't fixed wing aircraft! Geez - I hope there aren't any questions on the
FAA knowledge tests about the FAA knowledge tests - at this point I'd
flunk! :-)

Don't let it throw you, I'm pretty sure they're just using "fixed-wing" to
mean that it's not for helicopters and such.

I can't answer your original question as to just how specific the
endorsement was. But I just wanted to throw in that my instructor was
happy letting me go off and study on my own for a while with various
materials, including the big cheating test-prep book with the entire
question bank in it, and then he signed me off when I said that I was done
and ready to take the test. Depending on your instructor and your learning
style this may not be appropriate for you, but for me at least this
preparation was more than sufficient.

--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon

On Nov 20, 11:57*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
Simple question (for everyone but me!):

Is the CFI endorsement to take a private pilot test for a specific category
(e.g. airplane, rotorcraft, glider) or a category and class (e.g. airplane,
single engine land) or some other classsification (e.g. fixed-wing), or not
category or class specific?

I ask because I thought I would take some winter down time to work on
passing the knowledge test needed to earn a private pilot, glider
certificate. I do not hold any previous certificates (other than student
pilot.)

I was training at a glider club this summer and ground training was not
something they normally did - the local community college offers ground
school courses a couple times a year - but the next class doesn't start
till spring. I asked what other options they knew about and they thought
courses offered by King and Sporty's might be a possibility. That sounded
plausible but their DVD courses looked airplane-centric, so I contacted
Sporty's. I asked them if I passed their Private Pilot DVD course and got
an endorsement from them, would that endorsement allow me to take the
knowledge test for a private pilot, glider rating? Their answer was:

"The Private Pilot on line course endorsement is for the private pilot
fixed wing test.

Glider information is not covered in the course and the endorsement will
not include glider."

The "fixed wing" part kinda threw me - and now I'm even more confused. I
had no idea the tests had yet another classification - one in which gliders
aren't fixed wing aircraft! Geez - I hope there aren't any questions on the
FAA knowledge tests about the FAA knowledge tests - at this point I'd
flunk! :-)

Here is a publication from the FAA on knowledge testing.

http://www.faa.gov/education_researc...G-8082-17d.pdf

There is one test that you need to take, the Private Pilot Knowledge
Test - Glider. You can research the questions from the Private Pilot
Knowledge Test Questions, found he

http://www.faa.gov/education_researc.../media/pvt.pdf

The test code for the Private Glider Test is PGL, however usually the
easiest way to find content for the specific test that you are taking
is seaching the bank for glider or other applicable terms.

--Robbie
http://soyouwannabeapilot.blogspot.com

mike wrote:
On Nov 20, 10:57*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
Is the CFI endorsement to take a private pilot test for a specific
category (e.g. airplane, rotorcraft, glider) or a category and class
(e.g. airplane, single engine land) or some other classsification
(e.g. fixed-wing), or not category or class specific?
....

http://www.gliderpilotsgroundschool.com/

Thanks, but I'm not sure how that answers my question. I don't live
anywhere near them anyway.

Uncle Fuzzy wrote:
On Nov 20, 9:57*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
Is the CFI endorsement to take a private pilot test for a specific
category (e.g. airplane, rotorcraft, glider) or a category and class
(e.g. airplane, single engine land) or some other classsification
(e.g. fixed-wing), or not category or class specific?
....

In addition to studying the books your instructor will no doubt
recommend, go he
http://www.exams4pilots.org/
and set it up for 'Private Pilot - Glider' .
Take practice tests endlessly instead of playing Freecell on your
computer.

Thanks for the help, but your pointers, while useful, don't appear to
address the question.

On Nov 21, 1:13*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
Uncle Fuzzy wrote:
On Nov 20, 9:57*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
Is the CFI endorsement to take a private pilot test for a specific
category (e.g. airplane, rotorcraft, glider) or a category and class
(e.g. airplane, single engine land) or some other classsification
(e.g. fixed-wing), or not category or class specific?
...

In addition to studying the books your instructor will no doubt
recommend, go he
http://www.exams4pilots.org/
and set it up for 'Private Pilot - Glider' .
Take practice tests endlessly instead of playing Freecell on your
computer.

Thanks for the help, but your pointers, while useful, don't appear to
address the question.

The endorsement I use:

Refer to: http://www.soaringsafety.org/pilots/ipend.pdf


6. Aeronautical Knowledge - FAR 61.35(a) & 61.105(b)(1-13)
I certify that I have given Mr/Ms the applicable ground instruction
required
by FAR 61.105(b)(1-13) and find him/her prepared for the private pilot
- glider
aeronautical knowledge test.

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
Uncle Fuzzy wrote:
On Nov 20, 9:57 pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
Is the CFI endorsement to take a private pilot test for a specific
category (e.g. airplane, rotorcraft, glider) or a category and class
(e.g. airplane, single engine land) or some other classsification
(e.g. fixed-wing), or not category or class specific?
...

In addition to studying the books your instructor will no doubt
recommend, go he
http://www.exams4pilots.org/
and set it up for 'Private Pilot - Glider' .
Take practice tests endlessly instead of playing Freecell on your
computer.

Thanks for the help, but your pointers, while useful, don't appear to
address the question.


The specific answer to your question is----Yes, category and class.

See FAA Advisory Circular AC 61-65D (on the FAA Website www.faa.gov )
#37 Aeronoutical knowlege test will include name of specific test (glider)

"fixed wing" is a description, not a category or class.

Find a local CFIG willing to endorse you--(S)He will likely require an
intensive oral quiz of you.

Hope that helps--good luck on the test!

Hartley Falbaum USA CFIG