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Old November 18th 06, 02:12 AM posted to rec.aviation.rotorcraft
Stan Switek
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11-17-2006 approx 1350 hours:

To the pilot of the yellow & red R-22 buzzing Sea Cliff Golf Course &
the surrounding homes at 50 to 100' agl, what you did is in violation
of the FAR's & very unsafe. Your info has been forwarded to the FAA.
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Old November 18th 06, 10:29 PM posted to rec.aviation.rotorcraft
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Stan Switek wrote:
11-17-2006 approx 1350 hours:

To the pilot of the yellow & red R-22 buzzing Sea Cliff Golf Course &
the surrounding homes at 50 to 100' agl, what you did is in violation
of the FAR's & very unsafe. Your info has been forwarded to the FAA.


You think he reads this NG?

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Old November 22nd 06, 06:08 PM posted to rec.aviation.rotorcraft
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On Nov 19, 2:46 am, The OTHER Kevin in San Diego skiddz "AT" adelphia
"DOT" net wrote:
On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 01:12:04 GMT, Stan Switek

wrote:
11-17-2006 approx 1350 hours:


To the pilot of the yellow & red R-22 buzzing Sea Cliff Golf Course &
the surrounding homes at 50 to 100' agl, what you did is in violation
of the FAR's & very unsafe. Your info has been forwarded to the FAA.Damn, they saw me!!


Where's Sea Cliff Golf Course again??


And what FAR's would that be?..I'm curious....

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Old November 23rd 06, 02:59 PM posted to rec.aviation.rotorcraft
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Are they broadcasting a competition from that course, soon? They always
seem to show helicopter views of the hole being previewed. It gives a
great idea of the length, the lay, the position of the obstacles and
the position of the hole on the green in about 5-10 seconds, and it
always appears to be done from treetop level.

Linc

Stan Switek wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:22:12 -0800, The OTHER Kevin in San Diego
skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net wrote:

On 22 Nov 2006 09:08:14 -0800, wrote:



On Nov 19, 2:46 am, The OTHER Kevin in San Diego skiddz "AT" adelphia
"DOT" net wrote:
On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 01:12:04 GMT, Stan Switek

wrote:
11-17-2006 approx 1350 hours:

To the pilot of the yellow & red R-22 buzzing Sea Cliff Golf Course &
the surrounding homes at 50 to 100' agl, what you did is in violation
of the FAR's & very unsafe. Your info has been forwarded to the FAA.Damn, they saw me!!

Where's Sea Cliff Golf Course again??

And what FAR's would that be?..I'm curious....


91.119 - Minimum Safe Altitudes. Paragraph d in particular. It all
comes down to whether or not the "...operation is conducted without
hazard to persons or rpoperty on the surface."


Im going to go out on a limb here & guess 30 knots at 50' agl is no
beuno according to the HVC in the POH for the R-22. I'll also guess
the FAA frowns upon those who repeatedly fly 50' over the roofs of
houses & golf course club houses full of people for no purpose other
than showing off. Sounds like a violation of 91.13a Careless or
reckless operation to me.


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Old November 23rd 06, 05:36 PM posted to rec.aviation.rotorcraft
Stan Switek
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On 23 Nov 2006 05:59:55 -0800, "Linc" wrote:

Are they broadcasting a competition from that course, soon? They always
seem to show helicopter views of the hole being previewed. It gives a
great idea of the length, the lay, the position of the obstacles and
the position of the hole on the green in about 5-10 seconds, and it
always appears to be done from treetop level.

Linc

No.... This was buzz job plain & simple. But even it was, TV is not
exempt from the FAR's.
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Old November 23rd 06, 09:11 PM posted to rec.aviation.rotorcraft
Stan Switek
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:35:19 -0800, The OTHER Kevin in San Diego
skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net wrote:

On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 16:36:20 GMT, Stan Switek
wrote:


No.... This was buzz job plain & simple. But even it was, TV is not
exempt from the FAR's.


But you CAN get permission from the local FSDO for these types of
operations as long as the folks at the FSDO feel you've taken proper
safety precautions.


This was not the case & at any rate they are not going to permit
flying 50' over numerous houses.
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Old November 23rd 06, 09:15 PM posted to rec.aviation.rotorcraft
Stan Switek
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:34:07 -0800, The OTHER Kevin in San Diego
skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net wrote:

On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 05:05:28 GMT, Stan Switek
wrote:


Im going to go out on a limb here & guess 30 knots at 50' agl is no
beuno according to the HVC in the POH for the R-22.


The HVC is really intended for takeoffs. If you're straight and level
or descending inside the curve on the POH, and engine failure isn't as
critical as if you were climbing or hovering in those areas. Still,
not too smart to be that slow and that low unless you're making an
approach to land.


I seem to remember it saying something to the effect "operation not
recommended within the shaded area. No mention of take off & landing.
I have seen a number of cases where pilots were violated for operating
in this manner. In the violation the FAA cited the HVC in the POH.

The bottom line is that this kind of flying gives the rest of us
undeserved attention.
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Old November 24th 06, 03:04 PM posted to rec.aviation.rotorcraft
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Stan Switek wrote:
On 23 Nov 2006 05:59:55 -0800, "Linc" wrote:

Are they broadcasting a competition from that course, soon? They always
seem to show helicopter views of the hole being previewed. It gives a
great idea of the length, the lay, the position of the obstacles and
the position of the hole on the green in about 5-10 seconds, and it
always appears to be done from treetop level.

Linc

No.... This was buzz job plain & simple. But even it was, TV is not
exempt from the FAR's.


If it was TV, then like Kevin said, I would've expected they would
discuss their plans with the FSDO to head off complaints. Of course, I
would also expect a notice by the course to the nearby homeowners.

Linc

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Old November 24th 06, 05:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.rotorcraft
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On 24 Nov 2006 06:04:18 -0800, "Linc" wrote:


Stan Switek wrote:
On 23 Nov 2006 05:59:55 -0800, "Linc" wrote:

Are they broadcasting a competition from that course, soon? They always
seem to show helicopter views of the hole being previewed. It gives a
great idea of the length, the lay, the position of the obstacles and
the position of the hole on the green in about 5-10 seconds, and it
always appears to be done from treetop level.

Linc

No.... This was buzz job plain & simple. But even it was, TV is not
exempt from the FAR's.


If it was TV, then like Kevin said, I would've expected they would
discuss their plans with the FSDO to head off complaints. Of course, I
would also expect a notice by the course to the nearby homeowners.

Linc


Any of us that have flown over a golf course knows that most course
lay outs, for the purpose of TV fliming, would allow approaches &
departures along the fairways till a safe altitude is reached. I see
no need to fly over homes at low level. Doing so only invites trouble.

I know the course in question. The PGA, LPGA, Champions & Nationwide
Tours do not play there. It is a private course near the beach
surrounded by residential homes. Very expensive homes.
 




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