J3 - ENOUGH!!!

4 ****ING DAYS!

Alan Erskine wrote:
4 ****ING DAYS!


And 9.2Gb, as of now!!!

Repeats, multi-posts, and all the complaints.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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Armful of chairs: Something some people would not know
whether you were up them with or not
- Barry Humphries

THIS GUY IS A ****ING IDIOT


"Gary R. Schmidt" wrote in message
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Alan Erskine wrote:
4 ****ING DAYS!
And 9.2Gb, as of now!!!

Repeats, multi-posts, and all the complaints.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

--
__________________________________________________ ____________________________
Armful of chairs: Something some people would not know
whether you were up them with or not
- Barry Humphries

In article ,
"SKUNK WORKS" wrote:

THIS GUY IS A ****ING IDIOT


LOL - a case of the pot calling the kettle black!

Gee, I don't really get off on rockets either but knowing the effort
put forth by J3, and since rockets and such seem to qualify as on
topic, seems like a ton of hysteria goes into the thread doesn't it?

I really don't get off on jet fighters, (worked on fighters for 20
years and only a few really blow my skirt up),...

....rockets are somewhat boring to me, (but man oh man some of the
pictures of rockets, rocket flights, and even attempts at rocket
flight are just amazing),...

....models and R/C planes don't do anything for me, (but there is
little that can provide the level and variety of entertainment to
match watching otherwise perfectly normal grownups, especially men,
gathering in a large field, acting like ten year olds, excited as all
get out when their plane flies the way they intended and crying when
the inevitable crash happens and destroys hundreds of hours of work,
and ya gotta admit they have the ability to crash them into any type
of object including moving ones)...

....not wild about most general aviation stuff (although growing up
with Sky King does make the old Beech an attractive plane),...

....flying trash cans, (known as targets to fighter pilots) don't get
me excited (but an old workhorse like the C-47 deserves everyones
respect and to me the there were a few beauties among the breed like
the C-124, C-133 and others),...

....helicopters, for the most part, leave me high and dry, (but after
watching rocket and gun attacks performed by these machines in Viet
Nam the Cobra is a remarkable, agile, ass kickin' machine and I'll
take those too),...

....airliners are so boring, (but sure handy when you want to travel
long distances in a hurry), so I usually don't grab those, (although
when I see a thread that refers to some of the art work on them I just
can't help myself),...

....most of the really early flying machines don't excite me either but
ya look at them and wonder "what ever made them think this was a good
idea, (since no one had done it before there were a lot of really
interesting ideas tried out, some still working on todays aircraft,
others making a comeback, and some so outrageously whacked out that
even though they might not have resulted in flight they have provided
generations of entertainment)...

So let's see now... that leaves my primary interests which revolve
around prop driven WWII fighter aircraft and especially those with
huge engines, quirky handling, and requiring pilots with balls the
size of watermellons, and WWII bombers which were produced is such
rapid timeframes and in such quantities you wonder why it is that in
todays 'market' it takes several years to get the simplest idea off
the ground.

Ok, post the pictures I like best and I will accept those I am not
wild about with grace, dignity, and with good manners. After all,
those are likely someone else's cup of tea, what turns their crank,
reminds them of a better time, gives them the pictures to explain to
their kids and grand kids what they did in the war, etc.

One of the greatest things about this group is the diversity,
interesting technical information and dialog, and great photos.

J3 probably won't download most of the rocket stuff, but I do
appreciate the posts since they are the dreams of others.

Stayfree

J3 Blocked




"Gary R. Schmidt" wrote in message
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Alan Erskine wrote:
4 ****ING DAYS!
And 9.2Gb, as of now!!!

Repeats, multi-posts, and all the complaints.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

--
__________________________________________________ ____________________________
Armful of chairs: Something some people would not know
whether you were up them with or not
- Barry Humphries

J3 Blocked




You dumbass. He posts some of the best pics available from all the military
sites and NASA.

--
Jim Morris
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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:45:15 -0400, Alan Erskine wrote
(in article ):

4 ****ING DAYS!



I see you use MSOE. If you used a real newsreader you would not have a
problem.

J3, ignore the whingers.

"hielan' laddie" wrote in message
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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:45:15 -0400, Alan Erskine wrote
(in article ):

4 ****ING DAYS!



I see you use MSOE. If you used a real newsreader you would not have a
problem.

J3, ignore the whingers.


Define "real" (don't provide examples of what you consider 'real'
newsreaders, just the definition please).

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:41:41 -0400, Alan Erskine wrote
(in article ):

"hielan' laddie" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:45:15 -0400, Alan Erskine wrote
(in article ):

4 ****ING DAYS!



I see you use MSOE. If you used a real newsreader you would not have a
problem.

J3, ignore the whingers.


Define "real" (don't provide examples of what you consider 'real'
newsreaders, just the definition please).



A real newsreader has:

1 proper filtering. This means the ability to filter on _any_ header. It also
means the ability to place the results of the filtering the way the user
wants. Examples: some newsreaders have the ability to tag posts with colour,
so that posts of interest (or of non-interest) can be detected at a glance.
Some newsreaders can tag posts with ratings of interest, which also can be
detected at a glance. Some can do both. Filtering also means the ability to
sort out purely text from binary posts, and the ability to save a post as
text or binary to a folder of the user's choice on a volume of the user's
choice. The filter should also be capable of ferreting out _all_ the files
the user wants, using such techniques as 'regular expressions'. With proper
filtering, a user can find all posts in a newsgroup made by Alan Erskine, tag
them red or give them a +10 rating or both, save any purely text files to
disk, extract any binaries, and then delete the binary posts while leaving
the text-only posts alone.

Note that proper filtering makes proper killfiltering trivial. I don't
killfile based on a poster's posting ID; that is far too easily changed, and
a troll will change it on a semi-regular basis just because he is a troll. I
killfilter based on headers which are difficult for the troll to change,
mostly because they're beyond his control. I would not use a newsreader which
does not have proper filters because, well, there are far too many trolls out
there and life's too short to put up with them.

Proper filtering should also include the option of automatically notifying
the user if certain parameters are met. The user should be able to set the
parameters.

2 proper file support. A real newsreader knows what plain text posts are,
what binaries are, and can use the primary USENET binary encoding schemes,
including but not limited to UUencode, UUencode/MIME, Base64, Apple Double,
and YENC. The ability to read HTML-formatted text is optional, and where
possible should be part of the filter suite. (I, personally, killfilter
HTML-formatted text on USENET. USENET text is ASCII. Hell, USENET text is to
be viewed in a monospace font only. HTML need not apply. YMMV.)

Part of the proper file support should be the ability to detect and view
common file types, including .gif, .jpg, .wmv, .avi, .mp3, so that the user
can preview a binary _before_ saving it to disk. A proper newsreader should
at least know what .csv, .rar, .par, and .pdf are, though viewing them in the
newsreader will be problematic. I, personally, often manually download a few
files and preview them before deciding to set up a filter to grab them all.
If certain posters get a good track record, I'll set up a filter to grab all
files posted by them and save them to disk without bothering to preview. A
proper newsreader will notify me that it has detected new posts meeting my
filters and is downloading/killing/tagging them for me.

Another part of proper file support is content-type support. Not everyone
uses US ASCII. Hell, not everyone uses Latin text. A real newsreader will
support binaries which are named using non-English and even
non-Latin-alphabet systems. This can result in a few files with strange names
such as
'=?ISO-8859-1?Q?A=E9rospatiale_ATR-42_F-GPYD_Air_France_by_Air?==?ISO-8859-
1?Q?linair_05=2Ejpg?=", which really means
'Aerospatiale_ATR-42_F-GPYD_Air_France_by_Airelinair_05.jpg' with a few
accents which don't reproduce well with US ASCII.

3 proper automation support. A real newsreader will automatically do routine
tasks for the user. It will do things such as open up the newsgroup and check
headers to see if there's anything new at all, and if any of the new posts
match any filters, and then perform the filtering... and all without
bothering the user, unless the filter specifies notifying the user. I can
turn on filtering in Hogwasher or Agent and then not even look at either for
days and _know_ that any files meeting my requirements will be dealt with for
me and that if there's a problem the app will notify me. Believe it or not,
there is life outside of USENET, and taking a little time to set things up to
run automatically saves a lot of time in the long run.

4 good customer support. It's nice to get questions answered and bugs fixed
on a semi-regular basis.

In short, a real newsreader allows the user to quickly and easily go through
the posts on a newsgroup, select the ones he wants to download or otherwise
view, mark them and download them or whatever, and to get rid of anything he
_doesn't_ want to have on the group. The user can access any file, in any
format, at will. The user can restrict or not restrict the types of files,
the posters, and anything else which is visible to him on the newsgroup at
will. (Note: the user is not restricting the _newsgroup_. He's restricting
the part of the newsgroup _that he sees_. If he finds, say, 'hangar queen'
pix objectionable, then a simple filter removes them... for him. If he wants
to prevent others from posting/downloading such pix, then he's got a problem.
Well, several problems.) Any newsreader which does not allow such freedom is
not a real newsreader. MSOE does not meet any of the above criteria. It is
not a real newsreader. YMMV, but I certainly found it lacking and moved to a
real newsreader within days of first going on USENET. (I wasn't particularly
impressed with it as an email client, either, and dumped it entirely shortly
thereafter.)