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(USA) logbook endorsement requirement(s) for new glider type?
For as long as I've been flying anything, including and especially
gliders, I've had a CFI endorse a cockpit checkout in my logbook, for any new aircraft type I flew. Can someone tell me what/who requires this? Is it strictly insurance companies, or is there a relevant FAR paragraph? The reason I'm asking is that when I went to the local gliderport yesterday to get a cockpit checkout in the LS-8, the on duty CFI declined to sign an endorsement conducted by someone else, and he would not do the checkout himself because he was not an LS-8 pilot. I can't imagine that every CFI is able to personally conduct cockpit checkouts in all glider types (with all due respect, Mr Compton). The last six such checkouts I've received were performed by a non-CFI and signed off by a CFI. ~ted/2n7o |
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(USA) logbook endorsement requirement(s) for new glider type?
An instructor endorsement for a cockpit checkout is imposed by
insurance companies not the FAR's. I understand your local instructor's attitude, I'm very reluctant to endorse logbooks for single seat gliders in which I have no experience. I have been on the other side of this scenario needing an endorsement. My approach was to go to considerable lengths to find an instructor who had considerable experience in the type if not actually owned one. My objective was to learn enough from him to fly the thing safely and well. The insurance requirement was secondary. Bill D On Mar 30, 9:20*pm, Tuno wrote: For as long as I've been flying anything, including and especially gliders, I've had a CFI endorse a cockpit checkout in my logbook, for any new aircraft type I flew. Can someone tell me what/who requires this? Is it strictly insurance companies, or is there a relevant FAR paragraph? The reason I'm asking is that when I went to the local gliderport yesterday to get a cockpit checkout in the LS-8, the on duty CFI declined to sign an endorsement conducted by someone else, and he would not do the checkout himself because he was not an LS-8 pilot. I can't imagine that every CFI is able to personally conduct cockpit checkouts in all glider types (with all due respect, Mr Compton). The last six such checkouts I've received were performed by a non-CFI and signed off by a CFI. ~ted/2n7o |
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(USA) logbook endorsement requirement(s) for new glider type?
On Mar 30, 9:00*pm, bildan wrote:
An instructor endorsement for a cockpit checkout is imposed by insurance companies not the FAR's. *I understand your local instructor's attitude, I'm very reluctant to endorse logbooks for single seat gliders in which I have no experience. I have been on the other side of this scenario needing an endorsement. *My approach was to go to considerable lengths to find an instructor who had considerable experience in the type if not actually owned one. *My objective was to learn enough from him to fly the thing safely and well. *The insurance requirement was secondary. Bill D On Mar 30, 9:20*pm, Tuno wrote: For as long as I've been flying anything, including and especially gliders, I've had a CFI endorse a cockpit checkout in my logbook, for any new aircraft type I flew. Can someone tell me what/who requires this? Is it strictly insurance companies, or is there a relevant FAR paragraph? The reason I'm asking is that when I went to the local gliderport yesterday to get a cockpit checkout in the LS-8, the on duty CFI declined to sign an endorsement conducted by someone else, and he would not do the checkout himself because he was not an LS-8 pilot. I can't imagine that every CFI is able to personally conduct cockpit checkouts in all glider types (with all due respect, Mr Compton). The last six such checkouts I've received were performed by a non-CFI and signed off by a CFI. ~ted/2n7o Tuno: You know where to come - TUSC has several instructors, one of whom owns an LS-8 and would no doubt be happy to help. Usual beer penalty applies! Mike |
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(USA) logbook endorsement requirement(s) for new glider type?
Thanks Mike but Roy C arrived to help out. Otherwise I could not have
enjoyed the LS-8 flight yesterday afternoon. It's bad enough when the gubment goonies shake regulations at us while they're shaking us down; I didn't expect to get the outsider treatment from the staff CFI at the gliderport where I've spent the most money in the last six years, at the moment I was all hormoned up to get back in the air after seven months of smokin' videos and soiled Soaring centerfolds. No offense taken though, I understand where he was coming from. Sorta. We race this weekend 2N7O |
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(USA) logbook endorsement requirement(s) for new glider type?
That's a pretty heavy dose of CYA, all around.
I can see it now. "Gee, you mean I bought this brand new ASH-31 and no one will check me out?" C'mon. Y'all are taking the gummint mindset way too far. -Evan Ludeman / T8 |
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(USA) logbook endorsement requirement(s) for new glider type?
Since cockpit checks are insurance rules and not gov't rules why the
fear of giving cockpit check signoffs? What is the insurance company going to do to a CFI for a giving a cockpit check prior to an accident(causal or not)? |
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(USA) logbook endorsement requirement(s) for new glider type?
On Mar 31, 8:56*am, "
wrote: Since cockpit checks are insurance rules and not gov't rules why the fear of giving cockpit check signoffs? *What is the insurance company going to do to a CFI for a giving a cockpit check prior to an accident(causal or not)? As a CFIG, I just make sure the pilot is familiar with the operating limits, speeds, handling characteristics, etc. I also like him or her to close their eyes and grab spoilers, flaps, gear, etc. In other words, I want to know they are prepped well. No, I don't believe I have flown everything, yet... Cheers, Tim |
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(USA) logbook endorsement requirement(s) for new glider type?
On Mar 30, 11:20*pm, Tuno wrote:
For as long as I've been flying anything, including and especially gliders, I've had a CFI endorse a cockpit checkout in my logbook, for any new aircraft type I flew. Can someone tell me what/who requires this? Is it strictly insurance companies, or is there a relevant FAR paragraph? The reason I'm asking is that when I went to the local gliderport yesterday to get a cockpit checkout in the LS-8, the on duty CFI declined to sign an endorsement conducted by someone else, and he would not do the checkout himself because he was not an LS-8 pilot. I can't imagine that every CFI is able to personally conduct cockpit checkouts in all glider types (with all due respect, Mr Compton). The last six such checkouts I've received were performed by a non-CFI and signed off by a CFI. ~ted/2n7o What's the big deal..? A cockpit checkout is pretty simple....just get the POH and sit down for a while and get familiar......a cockpit check out is not a flight check out..... I mean its like..ok, where's the flap handle?...ok now where's the spoiler handle?...ok release?...canopy jettison? etc...now let's make you're seat comfy... I have "cockpit checked" lots of pilots in gliders models which I have not flown......Gliders are not all that different from one to another........If someone is around with personal experience in this model, I will definitely bring him in on the discussion....but not necessary.... If they guy just bought the New Super XL5000 glider....it is up to him to be flight competent...The pilot should consult with some experienced people to answer any questions on handling...special techniques, any quirks etc. I have occasionaly suggested some more dual training and solo experience before the guy flies his new toy! Cookie |
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(USA) logbook endorsement requirement(s) for new glider type?
On 3/30/2011 11:20 PM, Tuno wrote:
The reason I'm asking is that when I went to the local gliderport yesterday to get a cockpit checkout in the LS-8, the on duty CFI declined to sign an endorsement conducted by someone else, I would have, and have in the past, endorsed a pilot for a glider type that I have never flown, IF the actual check out was done by a pilot that I knew to have extensive experience in type and if I was present while it was being performed. I learn something too. As others have said, it's an insurance company requirement. Tony V. |
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(USA) logbook endorsement requirement(s) for new glider type?
On Mar 30, 11:20*pm, Tuno wrote:
For as long as I've been flying anything, including and especially gliders, I've had a CFI endorse a cockpit checkout in my logbook, for any new aircraft type I flew. Can someone tell me what/who requires this? Is it strictly insurance companies, or is there a relevant FAR paragraph? The reason I'm asking is that when I went to the local gliderport yesterday to get a cockpit checkout in the LS-8, the on duty CFI declined to sign an endorsement conducted by someone else, and he would not do the checkout himself because he was not an LS-8 pilot. I can't imagine that every CFI is able to personally conduct cockpit checkouts in all glider types (with all due respect, Mr Compton). The last six such checkouts I've received were performed by a non-CFI and signed off by a CFI. ~ted/2n7o Glad to see you're finally stepping up to a real glider. We don't need no stinkin' flaps. I get asked to do the cockpit checkouts all of the time and do them gladly. I don't agree that it's always a no-brainer. Each ship usually has one or two quirks that are worth knowing about. I sit with the owner/seller and the new pilot on any ship I'm not familiar with and ask a few questions about the stuff that's NOT really in the POH. If it's something out of the ordinary (an early Diamant comes to mind), I'll do a LOT more work as the CFI-G to be ready for that one. "Hello, Mr. Moffat..." Just for example, I guarandamntee you that as a Schleicher driver, you will absolutely haul back on the canopy release on the LS8 under stress in one of your early flights (rolled out a little short blocking the runway with someone coming in behind you). If you pull the right handle one "click" past the normal stops (very easy to do with a little extra adrenaline), you'll suddenly find yourself withe the canopy floating in your lap. Safety of flight issue? Probably not. Potential to break a $3,000 canopy. Yup. Sorry, not really what you asked. Erik Mann LS8-18 (P3) |
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