Time Magazine Article "What's causing ATC delays"

On Aug 30, 12:48 pm, james wrote:
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http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...653304,00.html

I wrote a rebuttal on my blog: Would love any comments/corrections or
opinions

http://www.futuregringo.com/index.ph...agazine-studie...
[...]

"Adaptive Compression," new component of ETMS, helps somewhat by
scanning for slots that are freed due to delays or cancellations. It
was deployed operationally in March. The Airspace Flow Program is
designed to deal with FCAs.

Regards,
Jon

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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Unfortunately, I can't disagree. I studied Journalism at OSU under an
two-time Pulizer prize winner who required all J students to have a
science minor because he was tired of hearing about bigfoot, killer bees,
Alar and other cyclical and nonsensical media phenomena. (My senior
thesis was to interpret scientific data on the dietary benefits of oat
fiber versus wheat bran, back when everybody was reporting that one or
the other prevented hear disease. Turns out there's not a signifcant
difference.)

Hell, see what they did with the "Nutrition Pyramid" even as little as a
couple years ago, or the "Eight glasses of water a day" tripe :~)

Exactly. It takes just one newspaper, and then somebody can say "according
to..." It only took one newspaper to report a "UFO crash" at Roswell, New
Mexico to launch a conspiracy theory that continues even now. The problem
is, journalist pay is right there with flight instructors. You can barely
make a living doing it, so they get the young and unworldly doing much of
the gruntwork. The only reason I'm not a newspaper reporter or editor is
because the pay is terrible.

What's unfortunate in this case is that now the Time article can be used as
an information source.
-c

A famous newspaperman on newspapers:

"If you don't read the newspaper, you are uninformed; if you do read the
newspaper, you are misinformed."
- Mark Twain

"It has become a sarcastic proverb that a thing must be true if you saw it
in a newspaper. That is the opinion intelligent people have of that lying
vehicle in a nutshell. But the trouble is that the stupid people - who
constitute the grand overwhelming majority of this and all other nations -
do believe and are moulded and convinced by what they get out of a
newspaper, and there is where the harm lies."
- Mark Twain in his "License of the Press" speech.

"The old saw says, 'Let a sleeping dog lie.' Right. Still, when there is
much at stake it is better to get a newspaper to do it."
- Mark Twain

"I am personally acquainted with hundreds of journalists, and the opinion
of the majority of them would not be worth tuppence in private, but when
they speak in print it is the newspaper that is talking (the pygmy scribe
is not visible) and then their utterances shake the community like the
thunders of prophecy."
- Mark Twain speech, Feb. 1873

"Our papers have one peculiarity - it is American - their irreverence ...
They are irreverent toward pretty much everything, but where they laugh one
good king to death, they laugh a thousand cruel and infamous shams and
superstitions into the grave, and the account is squared. Irreverence is
the champion of liberty and its only sure defense."
- Mark Twain's Notebook

"Unassailable certainty is the thing that gives a newspaper the firmest and
most valuable reputation."
- Mark Twain's "Roughing It"

"The devil's aversion to holy water is a light matter compared with a
despot's dread of a newspaper that laughs."
- "The American Press," first printed in Mark Twain: Press Critic,
University of California, 2003.

And the source for all those quotes (and more) came from:
http://www.twainquotes.com/Newspaper.html

Quick top-post just to say thanks for the great reading material, Jim!


"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
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A famous newspaperman on newspapers:

"If you don't read the newspaper, you are uninformed; if you do read the
newspaper, you are misinformed."
- Mark Twain

"It has become a sarcastic proverb that a thing must be true if you saw it
in a newspaper. That is the opinion intelligent people have of that lying
vehicle in a nutshell. But the trouble is that the stupid people - who
constitute the grand overwhelming majority of this and all other nations -
do believe and are moulded and convinced by what they get out of a
newspaper, and there is where the harm lies."
- Mark Twain in his "License of the Press" speech.

"The old saw says, 'Let a sleeping dog lie.' Right. Still, when there is
much at stake it is better to get a newspaper to do it."
- Mark Twain

"I am personally acquainted with hundreds of journalists, and the opinion
of the majority of them would not be worth tuppence in private, but when
they speak in print it is the newspaper that is talking (the pygmy scribe
is not visible) and then their utterances shake the community like the
thunders of prophecy."
- Mark Twain speech, Feb. 1873

"Our papers have one peculiarity - it is American - their irreverence ...
They are irreverent toward pretty much everything, but where they laugh
one
good king to death, they laugh a thousand cruel and infamous shams and
superstitions into the grave, and the account is squared. Irreverence is
the champion of liberty and its only sure defense."
- Mark Twain's Notebook

"Unassailable certainty is the thing that gives a newspaper the firmest
and
most valuable reputation."
- Mark Twain's "Roughing It"

"The devil's aversion to holy water is a light matter compared with a
despot's dread of a newspaper that laughs."
- "The American Press," first printed in Mark Twain: Press Critic,
University of California, 2003.

And the source for all those quotes (and more) came from:
http://www.twainquotes.com/Newspaper.html

"Gattman" wrote in message
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"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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Unfortunately, I can't disagree. I studied Journalism at OSU under an
two-time Pulizer prize winner who required all J students to have a
science minor because he was tired of hearing about bigfoot, killer
bees, Alar and other cyclical and nonsensical media phenomena. (My
senior thesis was to interpret scientific data on the dietary benefits
of oat fiber versus wheat bran, back when everybody was reporting that
one or the other prevented hear disease. Turns out there's not a
signifcant difference.)

Hell, see what they did with the "Nutrition Pyramid" even as little as a
couple years ago, or the "Eight glasses of water a day" tripe :~)

Exactly. It takes just one newspaper, and then somebody can say
"according to..." It only took one newspaper to report a "UFO crash" at
Roswell, New Mexico to launch a conspiracy theory that continues even now.
The problem is, journalist pay is right there with flight instructors.
You can barely make a living doing it, so they get the young and unworldly
doing much of the gruntwork. The only reason I'm not a newspaper
reporter or editor is because the pay is terrible.

What's unfortunate in this case is that now the Time article can be used
as an information source.

Just a thought: if the pay is so bad, why do so many flock to the
profession?

Now, granted, for many, loving your work is another form of compensation. In
the case of CFI's, there's a love of flying and the lure of flying the "big
iron". But if CFI's applied the same measure of diligence that reporters
seem to, every plane ever built would be a smoldering hulk long ago.

A profession such as reporters, that had repeatedly and vehemently denied
the idea of "objectivity" in reporting (and everything else) is akin to
electricians denying the existence of electricity, or physicists denying the
laws of physics.

As for your OSU professor, did he ever teach rules for objective reporting?
His requirements for study of science was a great start, just as study of
economics and commerce would be for other specialties (forget that clueless
fraud Paul Krugman, who is a prime example of NON-objective reporting). I
take it from your earlier post, he was adamant about honesty and integrity,
but those are, to me, ancillary and secondary.

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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But if CFI's applied the same measure of diligence that reporters seem to,
every plane ever built would be a smoldering hulk long ago.

Conversely, if CFIs were expected to fly a new type of aircraft with very
little training time or instruction every day, the result would be the same.
It's definately hard to talk transporation one day, medicine the next,
crime/politics/science, etc.

As for your OSU professor, did he ever teach rules for objective
reporting?

They all did, some more effectively than others. In terms of accuracy,
they'd fail you for misspelling a name (for example) regarldess of how well
the article was written otherwise.

However, it's important to note that publishers aren't necessarily former
journalists or journalism graduates, and they basically get to decide what
to publish and if/whether there will be any particular spin. It's quite a
bit like the music industry, where the artists is working for the company
and gets told what to write, with whom to record, etc. (I know of a
Portland musician who got a major L.A. contract and was told she needed to
get braces and breast implants, so she's back to the coffee shop circuit.)

It's up to the journalist's own ethical standards to determine whether to
write for such a publication. At a job interview for a news editor position
in 1995 I told the interviewer that I would expect truth, accuracy and
objectivity and was told by the manager "Well, we're a left-leaning
publication" so I said a few polite words and then got up and left.

-c

john smith wrote:
In article ,
"Gattman" wrote:

I studied Journalism at OSU

a. The Ohio State University
b. Oklahoma State University
c. Oregon State University
d. (some-other) State University

e. Odaho State University
f. Ondiana State University
g. Orizona State University
h. Olaska State University
i. Otah State University
j. Oowa State University
k. Orkansas State University
l. Ollinois State University
m. Olabama State University

O K, enough o that!

(Sorry about not having any oviation content.)

"john smith" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Gattman" wrote:

I studied Journalism at OSU

a. The Ohio State University
b. Oklahoma State University
c. Oregon State University
d. (some-other) State University

We can safely rule out choice "a" above, because as you have written the
name correctly, no graduate of "The Ohio State University" would refer to
that fine institution as simply "OSU" ! ! ! g
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message ...

"john smith" wrote in message ...
In article ,
"Gattman" wrote:

I studied Journalism at OSU

a. The Ohio State University
b. Oklahoma State University
c. Oregon State University
d. (some-other) State University

We can safely rule out choice "a" above, because as you have written the name correctly, no graduate of "The Ohio
State University" would refer to that fine institution as simply "OSU" ! ! ! g
--
Jim in NC


Go Bucks!
An institution of higher learning...

;-)

"Blueskies" wrote

Go Bucks!
An institution of higher learning...

You got that right, or at least it was in the 70's, when I was there! g
--
Jim in NC