Night Currency

Practicing for my IFR, with a safety pilot (required crewmember)
I am not current at night. Can we fly this way, and achieve
currency? Not a passenger, since he is required crew.

Not an issue for my partner, we both need to get current
and trust each other's ability. Is it legal?
TIA, Doug

In article ,
Doug Campbell wrote:
Practicing for my IFR, with a safety pilot (required crewmember)
I am not current at night. Can we fly this way, and achieve
currency?

He's PIC and you're just the sole manipulator when you're under the hood,
but you couldn't do the takeoff or landing (unless you could do it under
the hood!) so you can't get current.

You might as well just do the T&Gs yourself before/after since there's
no way you can both be logging time at that point anyway.

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:23:40 GMT, (Ben Jackson) wrote:


He's PIC and you're just the sole manipulator when you're under the hood,
but you couldn't do the takeoff or landing (unless you could do it under
the hood!) so you can't get current.

As long as he is legal PIC you can do takeoffs and landings. If he is
not legal PIC you can't fly the plane with him in it.

(Ben Jackson) wrote in message news:gTKib.759066$Ho3.197260@sccrnsc03...
In article ,
Doug Campbell wrote:
Practicing for my IFR, with a safety pilot (required crewmember)
I am not current at night. Can we fly this way, and achieve
currency?

He's PIC and you're just the sole manipulator when you're under the hood,
but you couldn't do the takeoff or landing (unless you could do it under
the hood!) so you can't get current.

You might as well just do the T&Gs yourself before/after since there's
no way you can both be logging time at that point anyway.

Agreed. Further, if something goes wrong, and you ding the plane, do
you really want to be splitting hairs over night currency
technicalities while trying to get the insurance company to pay up?

(Nathan Young) wrote in message . com...
(Ben Jackson) wrote in message news:gTKib.759066$Ho3.197260@sccrnsc03...

Agreed. Further, if something goes wrong, and you ding the plane, do
you really want to be splitting hairs over night currency
technicalities while trying to get the insurance company to pay up?

The insurance deals with "pilot flying" and doesn't care one bit about
who is "PIC". PIC is an FAA thing. If a unqualified pilot has their
hands on the controls the insurance isn't going to pay regardless of
who is PIC.

Robert M. Gary wrote:
The insurance deals with "pilot flying" and doesn't care one bit about
who is "PIC". PIC is an FAA thing. If a unqualified pilot has their
hands on the controls the insurance isn't going to pay regardless of
who is PIC.

Can you back up these claims?

Hilton

"Hilton" wrote in
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
The insurance deals with "pilot flying" and doesn't care one bit about
who is "PIC". PIC is an FAA thing. If a unqualified pilot has their
hands on the controls the insurance isn't going to pay regardless of
who is PIC.

Can you back up these claims?

It's simple. The insurance company will do everything it legally (or not
so legally) can to prevent paying. That's what insurance companies do.

--
Regards,

Stan

"Hilton" wrote in message link.net...
Robert M. Gary wrote:
The insurance deals with "pilot flying" and doesn't care one bit about
who is "PIC". PIC is an FAA thing. If a unqualified pilot has their
hands on the controls the insurance isn't going to pay regardless of
who is PIC.

Can you back up these claims?

My policy (AIG) says..
"This insurance does not apply under any coverage c) When the aircraft
is in flight ii) if piloted by anyone other than 1) the pilot(s)
specified in Item 5".

It says nothing about PIC (although later says there must also be a
qualified PIC as well).

Call Mark at SouthWestAviation. http://www.southwestaviation.com .
He's been in the business for a couple decades and used to work for an
underwriter. He's had many such cases. He'll tell you that the FAA's
concept of "PIC" is not what the insurance co is looking at.

Actually, for night currency, they must be *Stop & Go*s, not just T&Gs
by FAR 61.57(b)

- Steve


On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:23:40 GMT, (Ben Jackson) wrote:

In article ,
Doug Campbell wrote:
Practicing for my IFR, with a safety pilot (required crewmember)
I am not current at night. Can we fly this way, and achieve
currency?

He's PIC and you're just the sole manipulator when you're under the hood,
but you couldn't do the takeoff or landing (unless you could do it under
the hood!) so you can't get current.

You might as well just do the T&Gs yourself before/after since there's
no way you can both be logging time at that point anyway.

Actually, for night currency, they must be *Stop & Go*s, not just T&Gs
by FAR 61.57(b)


And an often overlooked point, takeoffs are included. You can have a logbook
full of daytime takeoffs and night landings, and they don't help a bit without
night takeoffs.

Jose

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