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Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bob Noel wrote:
In article , "Morgans"
wrote:

Surrender plays into the troll's hands and thus is one of the worst
ways to respond to a troll.
I'm not sure I understand the point you are trying to make.

What constitutes surrender, in your opinion?

Are you saying ignoring a troll is to play into a troll's hands?

No. DH appears to be surrendering and pooh-poohing the idea of
killfiling a troll.


Not so at all. Please re-read the following line from my post on the
issue;

Personally I see no problem whatsoever in allowing troll posts to be
handled as individuals see fit.

Is there something about this comment you don't understand?

Trolls and just who is and isn't a troll are subject to individual
interpretation as such. Therefore it is simply my opinion that any
action taken to "handle" or "not handle" these people should simply be
left to the individual to decide.

If kill filing someone is your thing, by all means have at it.
Personally I find people who constantly gripe and **** and moan about
who's top posting, bottom posting, and insertion posting, and taking
people to task on this issue the perfect troll on any newsgroup!


Ah, they are indeed the fertile grounds by which the successful troll
can plant the seeds fo discontent.

but the term troll is actually fairly well defined. It's gotten blurred
considerably by newbies shouting "troll!" at various k00ks, lamers and
other newbies over the years.

Anthony could be a troll, but I doubt it. He's really just looking to
show how smart he is, which is a bit of a strange thing for an idiot to
do when you think about it. It's kind of a Catch 22 for him, really.He's
too dumb to know how dumb he actually is,
This makes him a k00k in usenet parlance,though, not a troll.
I, OTOH, am a troll, though I'm not really operating in full troll mode
here at all. I don't really like to disrupt really useful groups and
this is definitely a really useful group. A lot of alt. goups, like
alt.disasters.aviation, for instance, were so top heavy with kooks
they're a troll's paradise. It's so easy to get an absolute riot going
in a place like that it's just brilliant.

Other opportunities present themselves from time to time where you get
someone that's just aching for a ****ing contest and is so ready to take
troll bait that it all ends in a frenzy that has to be seen to be
believed. These opportunities don't come along as often as they used to,
unfortunately, but still, there's some fun to be had.
In my days as a troll, I've mightely upset some nazis ( who actually
took it real life and painted a swastika on another troll's house) got
the governemnt of New Zealand ****ed off ( google my name and new
zealand for the newspaper story on that) and drove Ralphie Livingston
into a frothing frenzy daily for years on end.

Those were the days.


Bertie


If you're interested in becoming as troll, BTW, I will consider running
a corespondence course.

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Anthony could be a troll, but I doubt it. He's really just looking to
show how smart he is,

You say that like it's a bad thing or something!

Jim Logajan wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Anthony could be a troll, but I doubt it. He's really just looking to
show how smart he is,

You say that like it's a bad thing or something!


No, i@m saying it's a folly since he's an idiot

Bertie

Jim Logajan wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Anthony could be a troll, but I doubt it. He's really just looking to
show how smart he is,

You say that like it's a bad thing or something!

There are many acceptable ways to demonstrate how smart you are. Almost
every one of these ways involve actually being as smart as you believe
you are. :-)
Demonstrating one's "smartness" with authority in a venue where you are
totally unqualified to speak with authority is I believe the issue
Bertie is discussing here....not to mention the simple fact that what
this person posts with authority is incorrect most of the time.

--
Dudley Henriques

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bob Noel wrote:
In article , "Morgans"
wrote:

Surrender plays into the troll's hands and thus is one of the worst
ways to respond to a troll.
I'm not sure I understand the point you are trying to make.

What constitutes surrender, in your opinion?

Are you saying ignoring a troll is to play into a troll's hands?
No. DH appears to be surrendering and pooh-poohing the idea of
killfiling a troll.

Not so at all. Please re-read the following line from my post on the
issue;

Personally I see no problem whatsoever in allowing troll posts to be
handled as individuals see fit.
Is there something about this comment you don't understand?

Trolls and just who is and isn't a troll are subject to individual
interpretation as such. Therefore it is simply my opinion that any
action taken to "handle" or "not handle" these people should simply be
left to the individual to decide.

If kill filing someone is your thing, by all means have at it.
Personally I find people who constantly gripe and **** and moan about
who's top posting, bottom posting, and insertion posting, and taking
people to task on this issue the perfect troll on any newsgroup!


Ah, they are indeed the fertile grounds by which the successful troll
can plant the seeds fo discontent.

but the term troll is actually fairly well defined. It's gotten blurred
considerably by newbies shouting "troll!" at various k00ks, lamers and
other newbies over the years.

Anthony could be a troll, but I doubt it. He's really just looking to
show how smart he is, which is a bit of a strange thing for an idiot to
do when you think about it. It's kind of a Catch 22 for him, really.He's
too dumb to know how dumb he actually is,
This makes him a k00k in usenet parlance,though, not a troll.
I, OTOH, am a troll, though I'm not really operating in full troll mode
here at all. I don't really like to disrupt really useful groups and
this is definitely a really useful group. A lot of alt. goups, like
alt.disasters.aviation, for instance, were so top heavy with kooks
they're a troll's paradise. It's so easy to get an absolute riot going
in a place like that it's just brilliant.

Other opportunities present themselves from time to time where you get
someone that's just aching for a ****ing contest and is so ready to take
troll bait that it all ends in a frenzy that has to be seen to be
believed. These opportunities don't come along as often as they used to,
unfortunately, but still, there's some fun to be had.
In my days as a troll, I've mightely upset some nazis ( who actually
took it real life and painted a swastika on another troll's house) got
the governemnt of New Zealand ****ed off ( google my name and new
zealand for the newspaper story on that) and drove Ralphie Livingston
into a frothing frenzy daily for years on end.

Those were the days.


Bertie

If you're interested in becoming as troll, BTW, I will consider running
a corespondence course.




I remember. You and Ralphie were into it big time when I first arrived
on Usenet. What a hoot that was!

At the time I had absolutely no idea what a troll was. It wasn't till
years later I came to fully appreciate the term and realize that some of
the REALLY good trolls were unbelievably talented people engaging in
what literally could be defined as an art form.
I've gotten used to Usenet over time and have learned how to sort out
the chaff and appreciate the good side of all of it.
Like you, I enjoy specific newsgroups and have found some good people
living on them.......even a few trolls whom I've come to know :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bob Noel wrote:
In article , "Morgans"
wrote:

Surrender plays into the troll's hands and thus is one of the
worst ways to respond to a troll.
I'm not sure I understand the point you are trying to make.

What constitutes surrender, in your opinion?

Are you saying ignoring a troll is to play into a troll's hands?
No. DH appears to be surrendering and pooh-poohing the idea of
killfiling a troll.

Not so at all. Please re-read the following line from my post on the
issue;

Personally I see no problem whatsoever in allowing troll posts to
be handled as individuals see fit.
Is there something about this comment you don't understand?

Trolls and just who is and isn't a troll are subject to individual
interpretation as such. Therefore it is simply my opinion that any
action taken to "handle" or "not handle" these people should simply
be left to the individual to decide.

If kill filing someone is your thing, by all means have at it.
Personally I find people who constantly gripe and **** and moan
about who's top posting, bottom posting, and insertion posting, and
taking people to task on this issue the perfect troll on any
newsgroup!


Ah, they are indeed the fertile grounds by which the successful troll
can plant the seeds fo discontent.

but the term troll is actually fairly well defined. It's gotten
blurred considerably by newbies shouting "troll!" at various k00ks,
lamers and other newbies over the years.

Anthony could be a troll, but I doubt it. He's really just looking to
show how smart he is, which is a bit of a strange thing for an idiot
to do when you think about it. It's kind of a Catch 22 for him,
really.He's too dumb to know how dumb he actually is,
This makes him a k00k in usenet parlance,though, not a troll.
I, OTOH, am a troll, though I'm not really operating in full troll
mode here at all. I don't really like to disrupt really useful groups
and this is definitely a really useful group. A lot of alt. goups,
like alt.disasters.aviation, for instance, were so top heavy with
kooks they're a troll's paradise. It's so easy to get an absolute
riot going in a place like that it's just brilliant.

Other opportunities present themselves from time to time where you
get someone that's just aching for a ****ing contest and is so ready
to take troll bait that it all ends in a frenzy that has to be seen
to be believed. These opportunities don't come along as often as they
used to, unfortunately, but still, there's some fun to be had.
In my days as a troll, I've mightely upset some nazis ( who actually
took it real life and painted a swastika on another troll's house)
got the governemnt of New Zealand ****ed off ( google my name and new
zealand for the newspaper story on that) and drove Ralphie Livingston
into a frothing frenzy daily for years on end.

Those were the days.


Bertie

If you're interested in becoming as troll, BTW, I will consider
running a corespondence course.




I remember. You and Ralphie were into it big time when I first arrived
on Usenet. What a hoot that was!

At the time I had absolutely no idea what a troll was. It wasn't till
years later I came to fully appreciate the term and realize that some
of the REALLY good trolls were unbelievably talented people engaging
in what literally could be defined as an art form.
I've gotten used to Usenet over time and have learned how to sort out
the chaff and appreciate the good side of all of it.
Like you, I enjoy specific newsgroups and have found some good people
living on them.......even a few trolls whom I've come to know :-)


Yeah, some of them are incredible. I don't tend to run with the pack,
but I'm not averse to the occasional invasion of a neo nazi group.
Anthony was actually passed on to me by another troll who figured I
would get more use out of him than most. He's not a flashy k00k, like
Ralphie was, but he is dependable and pretty low maintenance. Someday
I'll get him out on the open road and see what he'll really od. Judging
from this glimpse of his k00kiness with teh sockpuppet I think he'll
really move!

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bob Noel wrote:
In article , "Morgans"
wrote:

Surrender plays into the troll's hands and thus is one of the
worst ways to respond to a troll.
I'm not sure I understand the point you are trying to make.

What constitutes surrender, in your opinion?

Are you saying ignoring a troll is to play into a troll's hands?
No. DH appears to be surrendering and pooh-poohing the idea of
killfiling a troll.

Not so at all. Please re-read the following line from my post on the
issue;

Personally I see no problem whatsoever in allowing troll posts to
be handled as individuals see fit.
Is there something about this comment you don't understand?

Trolls and just who is and isn't a troll are subject to individual
interpretation as such. Therefore it is simply my opinion that any
action taken to "handle" or "not handle" these people should simply
be left to the individual to decide.

If kill filing someone is your thing, by all means have at it.
Personally I find people who constantly gripe and **** and moan
about who's top posting, bottom posting, and insertion posting, and
taking people to task on this issue the perfect troll on any
newsgroup!

Ah, they are indeed the fertile grounds by which the successful troll
can plant the seeds fo discontent.

but the term troll is actually fairly well defined. It's gotten
blurred considerably by newbies shouting "troll!" at various k00ks,
lamers and other newbies over the years.

Anthony could be a troll, but I doubt it. He's really just looking to
show how smart he is, which is a bit of a strange thing for an idiot
to do when you think about it. It's kind of a Catch 22 for him,
really.He's too dumb to know how dumb he actually is,
This makes him a k00k in usenet parlance,though, not a troll.
I, OTOH, am a troll, though I'm not really operating in full troll
mode here at all. I don't really like to disrupt really useful groups
and this is definitely a really useful group. A lot of alt. goups,
like alt.disasters.aviation, for instance, were so top heavy with
kooks they're a troll's paradise. It's so easy to get an absolute
riot going in a place like that it's just brilliant.

Other opportunities present themselves from time to time where you
get someone that's just aching for a ****ing contest and is so ready
to take troll bait that it all ends in a frenzy that has to be seen
to be believed. These opportunities don't come along as often as they
used to, unfortunately, but still, there's some fun to be had.
In my days as a troll, I've mightely upset some nazis ( who actually
took it real life and painted a swastika on another troll's house)
got the governemnt of New Zealand ****ed off ( google my name and new
zealand for the newspaper story on that) and drove Ralphie Livingston
into a frothing frenzy daily for years on end.

Those were the days.


Bertie
If you're interested in becoming as troll, BTW, I will consider
running a corespondence course.



I remember. You and Ralphie were into it big time when I first arrived
on Usenet. What a hoot that was!

At the time I had absolutely no idea what a troll was. It wasn't till
years later I came to fully appreciate the term and realize that some
of the REALLY good trolls were unbelievably talented people engaging
in what literally could be defined as an art form.
I've gotten used to Usenet over time and have learned how to sort out
the chaff and appreciate the good side of all of it.
Like you, I enjoy specific newsgroups and have found some good people
living on them.......even a few trolls whom I've come to know :-)


Yeah, some of them are incredible. I don't tend to run with the pack,
but I'm not averse to the occasional invasion of a neo nazi group.
Anthony was actually passed on to me by another troll who figured I
would get more use out of him than most. He's not a flashy k00k, like
Ralphie was, but he is dependable and pretty low maintenance. Someday
I'll get him out on the open road and see what he'll really od. Judging
from this glimpse of his k00kiness with teh sockpuppet I think he'll
really move!

Bertie


He's a trip all right. I wish you luck with him. It's fun watching. he
just underposted me in the sim group on a comment I made there.
What a character!! You have to admire his spunk.

--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in news:GKKdncKIm-
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bob Noel wrote:
In article , "Morgans"
wrote:

Surrender plays into the troll's hands and thus is one of the
worst ways to respond to a troll.
I'm not sure I understand the point you are trying to make.

What constitutes surrender, in your opinion?

Are you saying ignoring a troll is to play into a troll's hands?
No. DH appears to be surrendering and pooh-poohing the idea of
killfiling a troll.

Not so at all. Please re-read the following line from my post on
the
issue;

Personally I see no problem whatsoever in allowing troll posts to
be handled as individuals see fit.
Is there something about this comment you don't understand?

Trolls and just who is and isn't a troll are subject to individual
interpretation as such. Therefore it is simply my opinion that any
action taken to "handle" or "not handle" these people should
simply
be left to the individual to decide.

If kill filing someone is your thing, by all means have at it.
Personally I find people who constantly gripe and **** and moan
about who's top posting, bottom posting, and insertion posting,
and
taking people to task on this issue the perfect troll on any
newsgroup!

Ah, they are indeed the fertile grounds by which the successful
troll
can plant the seeds fo discontent.

but the term troll is actually fairly well defined. It's gotten
blurred considerably by newbies shouting "troll!" at various k00ks,
lamers and other newbies over the years.

Anthony could be a troll, but I doubt it. He's really just looking
to
show how smart he is, which is a bit of a strange thing for an
idiot
to do when you think about it. It's kind of a Catch 22 for him,
really.He's too dumb to know how dumb he actually is,
This makes him a k00k in usenet parlance,though, not a troll.
I, OTOH, am a troll, though I'm not really operating in full troll
mode here at all. I don't really like to disrupt really useful
groups
and this is definitely a really useful group. A lot of alt. goups,
like alt.disasters.aviation, for instance, were so top heavy with
kooks they're a troll's paradise. It's so easy to get an absolute
riot going in a place like that it's just brilliant.

Other opportunities present themselves from time to time where you
get someone that's just aching for a ****ing contest and is so
ready
to take troll bait that it all ends in a frenzy that has to be seen
to be believed. These opportunities don't come along as often as
they
used to, unfortunately, but still, there's some fun to be had.
In my days as a troll, I've mightely upset some nazis ( who
actually
took it real life and painted a swastika on another troll's house)
got the governemnt of New Zealand ****ed off ( google my name and
new
zealand for the newspaper story on that) and drove Ralphie
Livingston
into a frothing frenzy daily for years on end.

Those were the days.


Bertie
If you're interested in becoming as troll, BTW, I will consider
running a corespondence course.



I remember. You and Ralphie were into it big time when I first
arrived
on Usenet. What a hoot that was!

At the time I had absolutely no idea what a troll was. It wasn't
till
years later I came to fully appreciate the term and realize that
some
of the REALLY good trolls were unbelievably talented people engaging
in what literally could be defined as an art form.
I've gotten used to Usenet over time and have learned how to sort
out
the chaff and appreciate the good side of all of it.
Like you, I enjoy specific newsgroups and have found some good
people
living on them.......even a few trolls whom I've come to know :-)


Yeah, some of them are incredible. I don't tend to run with the pack,
but I'm not averse to the occasional invasion of a neo nazi group.
Anthony was actually passed on to me by another troll who figured I
would get more use out of him than most. He's not a flashy k00k, like
Ralphie was, but he is dependable and pretty low maintenance. Someday
I'll get him out on the open road and see what he'll really od.
Judging
from this glimpse of his k00kiness with teh sockpuppet I think he'll
really move!

Bertie


He's a trip all right. I wish you luck with him. It's fun watching. he
just underposted me in the sim group on a comment I made there.
What a character!! You have to admire his spunk.


Thanks! He'll pay out by and by.


Bertie

Anthony could be a troll, but I doubt it. He's really just looking to
show how smart he is,

You say that like it's a bad thing or something!

It is not a bad thing if you have an iota worth of a brain. Problem is that
he is totally socially inept, has given enough of an insight to his
personalities that he is probably clinically definable with a couple
different psychological disorders, and tries to act like he is smart in
areas of knowledge that he is considerably unfamiliar with. I could start
bringing up some of the top ten stupid questions and statements he has made,
but that is unnecessary to those that have even slightly paid attention to
his posts.

That makes him a dumb ass, in my book. One that needs outside help, no
doubt.

If you don't know something, you should ask questions, find the answers on
your own that you can find, and learn from others that are knowledgeable in
the area you are seeking answers. Instead, he argues with everything, and
declares the experts with the answers as fallible, and explains why what he
says is correct, even though it is exactly opposite of the accepted
knowledge.

I _will_ change my designation of him, from now on, to an internet k00k,
based on classification advice given by the professional troll, Bertie.
What he said made sense to me.

He still needs to be ignored, and encouraged to practice his "k00kedness"
elsewhere, though. (IMHO)
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in
:

Anthony could be a troll, but I doubt it. He's really just looking
to show how smart he is,

You say that like it's a bad thing or something!

It is not a bad thing if you have an iota worth of a brain. Problem
is that he is totally socially inept, has given enough of an insight
to his personalities that he is probably clinically definable with a
couple different psychological disorders, and tries to act like he is
smart in areas of knowledge that he is considerably unfamiliar with.
I could start bringing up some of the top ten stupid questions and
statements he has made, but that is unnecessary to those that have
even slightly paid attention to his posts.

That makes him a dumb ass, in my book. One that needs outside help,
no doubt.

If you don't know something, you should ask questions, find the
answers on your own that you can find, and learn from others that are
knowledgeable in the area you are seeking answers. Instead, he argues
with everything, and declares the experts with the answers as
fallible, and explains why what he says is correct, even though it is
exactly opposite of the accepted knowledge.

I _will_ change my designation of him, from now on, to an internet
k00k, based on classification advice given by the professional troll,
Bertie. What he said made sense to me.

He still needs to be ignored, and encouraged to practice his
"k00kedness" elsewhere, though. (IMHO)


Yeah, ignoring him can work, but that never happens. Believe me.

If you don't like messign with him, then just ignore him yourself.
I can tell you this for free, though. If I was trolling this whole
group, I'd also be provoking you and anyone else who was continuously
crying about the presence of a troll. Anyone emotive is a godsend to a
troll. Anyone emotive about trolling even more so. A troll can wreak
havoc by provoking these sorts of personalities. This, of course, brings
more people into the fray and pretty soon it;s reached critical mass
with the topic of the group gone forever and the group only exising as a
giant rat hill with the occupants eventaully consuming each other.

I like to think I could have shown Osama Bin Laden a thing or two,
(strictly on a professional troll level, ignoring politics, of course)
but I doubt it.
Anthony hasn't got a hope in hell and he doesn't even know it.
The best thing about a k00k like him is you can tell him exactly what
your game is and it makes no difference one way or another to them.

Bertie