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The much more "interesting thing" is that Art can make completely false
(amazing in their purity of falsehood; breathtaking, actually) statements in total opposition to anything resembling the truth or logic (see below) and build an entire worldview out of it! " . . . an administration and a Supreme Court that gives preference to state's rights . . . " Wow. This newsgroup has turned into one of those logical syllogism exercises where Vince or Art start with "The Sky Is Red" or "You Do Not Exist" and the class then attempts to support or refute the premise. And of course all without the benefit of training or a disciplined mind(s) . .. . Steve Swartz "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Subject: Why didn't GWB join the U.S. Air Force ? From: "Prof. Vincent Brannigan" Date: 7/17/2004 5:00 AM Pacific Standard Time Amendment X : :The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor rohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, r to the people. The interesting thing is that while we now have both an administration and Supreme Court that gives preference to states rights, the Federal government now has never been larger, more powerful and spent more than ever before. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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Ian MacLure wrote:
"sanjian" wrote in news:yYFJc.67$fB4.59@lakeread01: [snip] The big question is why we talk about the popular vote as if it's actually fully counted. That is the ideal for which the system strives. Its never going to be 100% error free ( thats a shyster's fantasy ) but we should be able to make it pretty darn close. However no matter how idiot proof we make balloting we'll always find ourselves one step behind the really cutting edge idiots. That's all fine and good, but when we are noticably, and preventably far from that idea, we've got to question the value of any conclusions drawn from that idea. Votes that were overwhelmingly for one side in the election were discarded, and legally so, in order to save time an money. While that is perfectly acceptable for the given conditions, it greatly limits our ability to draw other conclusions from the election, and invalidates the popular vote. |
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Billy Preston wrote:
Why did he become a weekend warrior when he could have become a full-time warrior? Suppose you went to a recruiter and they said they didn't have any pilot slots available. You could join the USAF and take what they have. You could go over to the Guard outfit and find that they have some slots available, but you have to join the Guard first. Suppose you join the Guard as enlisted, get selected for pilot training, and receive a commission. Presto, you're a pilot trainee, instead of a clerk in the payroll office, or stuck in a rocket silo in Montana. Would you rather be a pilot, or be a PFC burning **** in Sihanoukville? Well, other than the fact that there is no PFC in the Air Force... But the rest of your argument pretty much stands. |
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"John A. Stovall" wrote
Being in a rocket silo in Montana is fine duty why are you knocking it? Pilots run checklists and take-off. Missile officers run checklists, eat breakfast, then more checklists, eat lunch, then run more checklists, then eat dinner, then run more checklists, then eat mid-night chow, then run more checklists, then eat breakfast, then they go back to the O-Club for lunch, and then they go home and run the wives checklist... The damned rockets just sit there, until we get tired of paying for them. "The best fighter ever designed is a rocket out of Montana"--General LeMay, USAF |
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"Billy Preston" wrote in message news:O7bKc.6144$Zr.1408@okepread01... "John A. Stovall" wrote Being in a rocket silo in Montana is fine duty why are you knocking it? Pilots run checklists and take-off. Missile officers run checklists, eat breakfast, then more checklists, eat lunch, then run more checklists, then eat dinner, then run more checklists, then eat mid-night chow, then run more checklists, then eat breakfast, then they go back to the O-Club for lunch, and then they go home and run the wives checklist... The damned rockets just sit there, until we get tired of paying for them. "The best fighter ever designed is a rocket out of Montana"--General LeMay, USAF -- Let me introduce you to John Kerry: http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/ http://www.pow-miafamilies.org/ http://www.jpac.pacom.mil/ http://www.aiipowmia.com/ssc/ssctest.html http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/index.php Brooks Gregory |
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"Brooks Gregory" wrote
Let me introduce you to John Kerry: Khrushchev had more personality, and a better 5 year plan for the Collectives... |
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Subject: Why didn't GWB join the U.S. Air Force ?
From: Ed Rasimus Date: 7/17/2004 7:50 AM Pacific Standard Time The UK is quite decidely a republic (small R). It is similarly a "constitutional democracy"--meaning it is a form defined by a constitution (albeit unwritten) It is written. Just not all in one place Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"John A. Stovall" wrote
And what does the nonsense you posted have to do with missile silo duty? Brooks (like all nerds) has a pocket protector... |
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On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:40:17 GMT, John A. Stovall
wrote: On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:28:50 GMT, "Brooks Gregory" wrote: "John A. Stovall" wrote Being in a rocket silo in Montana is fine duty why are you knocking it? And what does the nonsense you posted have to do with missile silo duty? Dunno for the life of me why you jumped in with such a strong defense of missile silo duty. The initial argument was regarding the question of whether you had a choice of going to pilot training in the ANG or going into the USAF with no pilot training slots available, which would be a better option. Seems like if you had aspirations to fly jets and one route was open while another one wasn't, the choice would be the classic "no-brainer." During the period in question, I was running the Training Command personnel shop that handled UPT/UNT/UPT-H input and output assignments. The place we put pilot training washouts who didn't want to got to navigator training was either missile officer or weapons controller (GCI scope-dope.) I don't recall anyone facing the assignment to missiles as being particularly grateful nor viewing it as "fine duty." They did get pretty polyester ascots, vinyl caps and a chance to get a Master's degree during their days in the hole. And, other than cholesterol build-up from chow hall food, the hazards during the Vietnam war were minimal in the silo. Casualties were low and few POW's were taken. Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" Smithsonian Institution Press ISBN #1-58834-103-8 |
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"Ed Rasimus" wrote
During the period in question, I was running the Training Command personnel shop that handled UPT/UNT/UPT-H input and output assignments. So you're the SOB! :-) Actually, I wanted to fly in the USAF, but I ran out of money in college. So I enlisted and tried to go bootstrap to finish my degree. Alas, after the war ended, the USAF had no use for bootstrap, and only selected a few during my tour. Anyway, my life was better as a male stripper... The one thing I liked about the 70's, was you could use your GI bill to not only get your Instrument and Commercial, but also the initial training. My first assignment to Kingsley Field had a wonderful Piper school. I used to love getting cleared for the ILS, and then watch the F-106's fly two orbits waiting for me, ha. "Tower, permission for a stop and go?" "Negative! get that piece of **** off the runway!" There is something worse than missiles, and it's called Long Range Radar (LRR)... |
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