Swift Boat Veterans For Truth: Are They Going To Sink John Kerry?

From: GreyCloud
Date: 8/28/2004 11:25 AM Central Daylight Time
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forge wrote:

In article ,
GreyCloud wrote:


Yup, you're right about that. But I think it's likely that Kerry knows
the real meaning of the word "diplomacy" and knows it doesn't involve
bombs, guns, missiles or penis envy. I'm hoping this is the case.

I think the only solution is to come home and stay home. Adhere to some
of our forefathers ideas of not meddling with foreign states. You can't
be a friend of one country and be an enemy of one of their friends.
Which is what we have today in too many countries.


Then the rest of the world will call us isolationists and hate us for
that. We cannot win.

If they leave us alone and we stay out of their affairs it may be
possible. When the world sees that the bruhaha has died down to zilch
then it would be impossible to go back to empire politics without
repercussions.


Isolationism didn't do a thing to prevent the Japanese and Germans from
declaring war on the U.S. in 1941.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"B2431" wrote in message
...

Isolationism didn't do a thing to prevent the Japanese and Germans from
declaring war on the U.S. in 1941.


Because we were not being isolationist.

Sink John Kerry?
From: Warchild
Date: 8/28/2004 4:47 PM Central Daylight Time
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In article . net,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"Warchild" wrote in message
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They've already pointed out that there's no connection between the Bush
campaign and the SBVT ads.


Except for the lawyers working for both groups. Oops.


Which has nothing to do with the ads.




Doesn't "we need to stop them all" include the SBVT ads? You want him
to
condemn just the ads that are anti-Kerry, not the ads that are
anti-Bush,
even though 7/8 of the 527 group ads are anti-Bush?


Those '527 groups' that Bush objects to are grass root organizations
that are pooling their and their donor's resources to have a voice in
the political process. Without those groups, then only companies and
rich individuals will have enough money to participate. The Bush
campaign would *love* that.


That describes the Swift Boat Vets.



The Swift Boat Liars have been proven to be lying about Kerry and about
themselves. Have the other groups been proven to be lying?


But the Swift Boat Vets have NOT been proven to be lying. Why would they
lie?

Because their personal animus towards John Kerry trumps the truth.

It happens both ways. Look at the people who still bash Bush's military record
isntead of discussing the issues.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Warchild wrote in
:

In article . net,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"Warchild" wrote in message
...

They've already pointed out that there's no connection between
the Bush campaign and the SBVT ads.


Except for the lawyers working for both groups. Oops.


Which has nothing to do with the ads.




Doesn't "we need to stop them all" include the SBVT ads? You
want him
to
condemn just the ads that are anti-Kerry, not the ads that are
anti-Bush,
even though 7/8 of the 527 group ads are anti-Bush?


Those '527 groups' that Bush objects to are grass root
organizations that are pooling their and their donor's resources to
have a voice in the political process. Without those groups, then
only companies and rich individuals will have enough money to
participate. The Bush campaign would *love* that.


That describes the Swift Boat Vets.



The Swift Boat Liars have been proven to be lying about Kerry and
about themselves. Have the other groups been proven to be lying?


But the Swift Boat Vets have NOT been proven to be lying. Why would
they lie?

Because their personal animus towards John Kerry trumps the truth.


Hilarious.
200 plus Swift Boat Vets (many who ARE DemocRATs)against maybe six of
Kerry's "band of brothers".

I suspect Kerry himself authored all the after-action reports on these
incidents that got him the PHs.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

ubject: Swift Boat Veterans For Truth: Are They Going To Sink John Kerry?
From: John Griffin
Date: 8/29/2004 2:58 AM Pacific Standard Time
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(Ray Fischer) wrote:

Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy) wrote:
Warchild wrote in

Why would they
lie?

Because their personal animus towards John Kerry trumps the truth.

I don't suppose that it ever occurred to you that their personal
animus might be because of the things Kerry did?

He spoke the truth.

Some people don't like that.

"Jesus loves me, this I know; for the Bible tells me so."

You know Kerry spoke the truth, because The Democratic Party said so.
Besides, everybody knows that no politician would stretch the truth
about himself.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be a gull. You want to, and it's your
right.


Kerry went to war. Bush hid in Texas then disapeared


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Kerry went to war. Bush hid in Texas then disapeared


Who did you support for president in 1992? 1996?

"ArtKramr" wrote

Kerry went to war. Bush hid in Texas then disapeared

Yep, hid out as a jet pilot. For more than 4 months too.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
ink.net:


"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Kerry went to war. Bush hid in Texas then disapeared


Who did you support for president in 1992? 1996?



According to what I've read,Kerry applied for a student deferment so he
could study in France,was turned down,then joined the Naval Reserves
(figuring he would not be activated) and ended up activated and on a ship
off Vietnam.Then he moved to Swift Boats,thinking that they saw little
action,but would give him "combat experience" for his future political
ambitions.

He was anti-war *before* he went to Vietnam.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

Subject: Swift Boat Veterans For Truth: Are They Going To Sink John
Kerry?
From: "Steven P. McNicoll"

Happy to. Republicans tend to vote in favor of a strong military while

Yeah. They just won't fight.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Swift Boat Veterans For Truth: Are They Going To Sink John
Kerry?
From: Jim Yanik
Date: 8/29/2004 8:23 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
link.net:


"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Kerry went to war. Bush hid in Texas then disapeared


Who did you support for president in 1992? 1996?



According to what I've read,Kerry applied for a student deferment so he
could study in France,was turned down,then joined the Naval Reserves
(figuring he would not be activated) and ended up activated and on a ship
off Vietnam.Then he moved to Swift Boats,thinking that they saw little
action,but would give him "combat experience" for his future political
ambitions.

He was anti-war *before* he went to Vietnam.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net


And your combat experience is....?





Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer