I just have to get it off my chest.

"Don Pyeatt" wrote in
:


"Clairbear" wrote in message
...
"Don Pyeatt" wrote in
:


"russell" wrote in message
...
Clem, upgrade to what? Why should I upgrade (or install unwanted
programmes) when all you need to do is resize your pictures before
you post them. The best pictures on this NG come from Glenn (IMO)
and we don't have to install any upgraded software to view his
images, so what is so special about yours? If you can't take his
lead, maybe you are the loser and we have missed nothing....



"Clem" wrote in message
. 97.136...
This is just an open thought not directed at anyone in particular.


Regarding YENC:


There does come a point when to stay current, you MUST upgrade.




This group has decided to be YENC-free and has reaffirmed the
decision many times. If it goes YENC, I'm leaving.

gdp






don't get you panties in a twist there Don
It really should not matter yenc or not if you have a good newsreader
OE is not a good newreader BTW

"Good" is a matter of opinion. OE sends and receives email, it has a
broad group of filters, it doesn't force me to open anything I don't
want to read, it reads from and posts to newsgroups, it combines and
decodes.....just what would make it "good"? YENC??? From my
experience, anyone who says OE is trash simply doesn't know how to use
it.

gdp








OE is fine for email but as a newsreader it is stuck in the darkages
There several fine newreader that would make posting and reading far
simpler If you want to stay in the dark ages that is fine but don't
attack those who post in an easily readable format. If you use a more up
to date reader you can see what is posted by those who choose to use
yenc. As for me when I post I don'y use yenc but I have no problem with
those who do.
"It is better to light one single candle than to curse the darkness"

"Clem" wrote in message
. 97.136...
This is just an open thought not directed at anyone in particular.


Regarding YENC:

why should i add another program? i don't killfile yenc-ers to be rude but
just to remove clutter.

why should i waste space on my machine for a program i don't want, and which
forces me to download several posts to a special folder and combine them
just to see one picture?

the truth is , if you want people to see your stuff put it in a format they
will use.

its an unmoderated group. so there are no rules, just custom. so feel free
to post in yenc, but also expect to be killfiled by many of us who don't use
it.
it's nothing personal,

"Ray O'Hara" wrote in
:


"Clem" wrote in message
. 97.136...
This is just an open thought not directed at anyone in particular.


Regarding YENC:

why should i add another program? i don't killfile yenc-ers to be
rude but
just to remove clutter.

why should i waste space on my machine for a program i don't want, and
which forces me to download several posts to a special folder and
combine them just to see one picture?

the truth is , if you want people to see your stuff put it in a format
they will use.

its an unmoderated group. so there are no rules, just custom. so feel
free to post in yenc, but also expect to be killfiled by many of us
who don't use it.
it's nothing personal,




Gee 1227K for xnews I might have to remove it
and it reads yenc, speeds up access,rejoins multi part posts, and allows me
to access all header on ng
You might be right I guess I'll just have to go back to the inconvenience
of using OE to access the usenet.

Clairbear wrote:
"Ray O'Hara" wrote in
:

"Clem" wrote in message
. 97.136...
This is just an open thought not directed at anyone in particular.


Regarding YENC:
why should i add another program? i don't killfile yenc-ers to be
rude but
just to remove clutter.

why should i waste space on my machine for a program i don't want, and
which forces me to download several posts to a special folder and
combine them just to see one picture?

the truth is , if you want people to see your stuff put it in a format
they will use.

its an unmoderated group. so there are no rules, just custom. so feel
free to post in yenc, but also expect to be killfiled by many of us
who don't use it.
it's nothing personal,




Gee 1227K for xnews I might have to remove it
and it reads yenc, speeds up access,rejoins multi part posts, and allows me
to access all header on ng
You might be right I guess I'll just have to go back to the inconvenience
of using OE to access the usenet.

I think that things should be as simple as possible.
There are quite a few people who don't know how to setup new programs,
like my 85 year old father, but he likes this newsgroup.
He worked for Curtis back in the 30's and 40's in their experimental
aircraft group in Buffalo.

I vote for keeping it as simple and direct as possible so everybody can
enjoy these great photos of beautiful and unique aircraft.
Just my two cents.

Cheers

Dave

Dave wrote in
. net:

Clairbear wrote:
"Ray O'Hara" wrote in
:

"Clem" wrote in message
. 97.136...
This is just an open thought not directed at anyone in particular.


Regarding YENC:
why should i add another program? i don't killfile yenc-ers to be
rude but
just to remove clutter.

why should i waste space on my machine for a program i don't want,
and which forces me to download several posts to a special folder
and combine them just to see one picture?

the truth is , if you want people to see your stuff put it in a
format they will use.

its an unmoderated group. so there are no rules, just custom. so
feel free to post in yenc, but also expect to be killfiled by many
of us who don't use it.
it's nothing personal,




Gee 1227K for xnews I might have to remove it
and it reads yenc, speeds up access,rejoins multi part posts, and
allows me to access all header on ng
You might be right I guess I'll just have to go back to the
inconvenience of using OE to access the usenet.

I think that things should be as simple as possible.
There are quite a few people who don't know how to setup new programs,
like my 85 year old father, but he likes this newsgroup.
He worked for Curtis back in the 30's and 40's in their experimental
aircraft group in Buffalo.

I vote for keeping it as simple and direct as possible so everybody
can enjoy these great photos of beautiful and unique aircraft.
Just my two cents.

Cheers

Dave



I am not talking about voting on anything. It is just that downloading
and using a program like xnews simply make using NGs easier and more
simplified than using something as cumbersome as OE.
It is easier to set up and use than OE so give it a try you might be
pleasantly supprised

I am not shilling for xnews it is free and there may be others that fit
the bill.

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:21:13 GMT, Dave wrote:

Clairbear wrote:

Gee 1227K for xnews I might have to remove it
and it reads yenc, speeds up access,rejoins multi part posts, and allows me
to access all header on ng
You might be right I guess I'll just have to go back to the inconvenience
of using OE to access the usenet.


I think that things should be as simple as possible.
There are quite a few people who don't know how to setup new programs,
like my 85 year old father, but he likes this newsgroup.
He worked for Curtis back in the 30's and 40's in their experimental
aircraft group in Buffalo.

I vote for keeping it as simple and direct as possible so everybody can
enjoy these great photos of beautiful and unique aircraft.
Just my two cents.

Um, Dave, just how hard is it for *anyone* to double-click on an
install program? Doesn't get much simpler than that.

Virtually every person I've ever seen complain about yEnc is an
Outlook Express user. That is, they use one of the worst pieces of
junk ever released by MicroSoft that contains an absurd number of
security holes. It is, I might add, just an email program with
newsgroup reading tacked on.

You might as well use a truck to pull a plow. It would work, but it
wouldn't be very effective.

This argument falls into the same category of people who complain that
they don't want to deal with those bloody VHS players, since there's
nothing wrong with their Betamax.

If you really want simple and direct, we could go back to text-only
usenet, accessed via command-line programs, transmitting cute
ASCII-art pics of airplanes. Better yet, go real old-school, and use
the US Post Office. Just photocopy those shots and physically mail
them to folks. It can't get much simpler than that, and -hey-
absolutely no software is involved!

Let's be honest: this argument has virtually always been driven by
Outlook Express users who refuse to part from their bedraggled
teddy-bear of a program. Why not 'fess up about it?

On the other hand, it depends on how the poster uploads their images.
If they do so by hand (which is possible via newsreader) the uploader
can configure the program not to use yEnc. I use Agent 1.91 (hate the
3.x, they trashed the interface) and I've disabled yEnc manually for
my uploads. If anyone wants direction on how to do that for Agent,
email me or ask here.

But if I have a large number of images, I need something like Power
Post v11b, and I can't disable the yEnc encoding. It's hard-wired into
the code. I personally would have no trouble in turning off yEnc, if
that option existed. Maybe if we all wrote the author - assert at
powerpost dot cjb dot net- he would release a new version?

"Casey Tompkins" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:21:13 GMT, Dave wrote:

Clairbear wrote:

Gee 1227K for xnews I might have to remove it
and it reads yenc, speeds up access,rejoins multi part posts, and allows
me
to access all header on ng
You might be right I guess I'll just have to go back to the
inconvenience
of using OE to access the usenet.


I think that things should be as simple as possible.
There are quite a few people who don't know how to setup new programs,
like my 85 year old father, but he likes this newsgroup.
He worked for Curtis back in the 30's and 40's in their experimental
aircraft group in Buffalo.

I vote for keeping it as simple and direct as possible so everybody can
enjoy these great photos of beautiful and unique aircraft.
Just my two cents.

Um, Dave, just how hard is it for *anyone* to double-click on an
install program? Doesn't get much simpler than that.

Virtually every person I've ever seen complain about yEnc is an
Outlook Express user. That is, they use one of the worst pieces of
junk ever released by MicroSoft that contains an absurd number of
security holes. It is, I might add, just an email program with
newsgroup reading tacked on.

You might as well use a truck to pull a plow. It would work, but it
wouldn't be very effective.

This argument falls into the same category of people who complain that
they don't want to deal with those bloody VHS players, since there's
nothing wrong with their Betamax.

If you really want simple and direct, we could go back to text-only
usenet, accessed via command-line programs, transmitting cute
ASCII-art pics of airplanes. Better yet, go real old-school, and use
the US Post Office. Just photocopy those shots and physically mail
them to folks. It can't get much simpler than that, and -hey-
absolutely no software is involved!

Let's be honest: this argument has virtually always been driven by
Outlook Express users who refuse to part from their bedraggled
teddy-bear of a program. Why not 'fess up about it?

On the other hand, it depends on how the poster uploads their images.
If they do so by hand (which is possible via newsreader) the uploader
can configure the program not to use yEnc. I use Agent 1.91 (hate the
3.x, they trashed the interface) and I've disabled yEnc manually for
my uploads. If anyone wants direction on how to do that for Agent,
email me or ask here.

But if I have a large number of images, I need something like Power
Post v11b, and I can't disable the yEnc encoding. It's hard-wired into
the code. I personally would have no trouble in turning off yEnc, if
that option existed. Maybe if we all wrote the author - assert at
powerpost dot cjb dot net- he would release a new version?



Hi, Casey !

I have been avoiding this yEnc/OE thread but after reading your post I
thought you may perhaps be the one to answer my as-yet unanswered question:
What will your agent do that OE will not, except of course decode yEnc
without an add-on patch?

I have formed the opinion after reading these hate-OE threads over the years
that those who hate OE simply don't know how to use it.

What say you?

gdp

Casey Tompkins wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:21:13 GMT, Dave wrote:

Clairbear wrote:

Gee 1227K for xnews I might have to remove it
and it reads yenc, speeds up access,rejoins multi part posts, and allows me
to access all header on ng
You might be right I guess I'll just have to go back to the inconvenience
of using OE to access the usenet.


I think that things should be as simple as possible.
There are quite a few people who don't know how to setup new programs,
like my 85 year old father, but he likes this newsgroup.
He worked for Curtis back in the 30's and 40's in their experimental
aircraft group in Buffalo.

I vote for keeping it as simple and direct as possible so everybody can
enjoy these great photos of beautiful and unique aircraft.
Just my two cents.

Um, Dave, just how hard is it for *anyone* to double-click on an
install program? Doesn't get much simpler than that.

Virtually every person I've ever seen complain about yEnc is an
Outlook Express user. That is, they use one of the worst pieces of
junk ever released by MicroSoft that contains an absurd number of
security holes. It is, I might add, just an email program with
newsgroup reading tacked on.

You might as well use a truck to pull a plow. It would work, but it
wouldn't be very effective.

This argument falls into the same category of people who complain that
they don't want to deal with those bloody VHS players, since there's
nothing wrong with their Betamax.

If you really want simple and direct, we could go back to text-only
usenet, accessed via command-line programs, transmitting cute
ASCII-art pics of airplanes. Better yet, go real old-school, and use
the US Post Office. Just photocopy those shots and physically mail
them to folks. It can't get much simpler than that, and -hey-
absolutely no software is involved!

Let's be honest: this argument has virtually always been driven by
Outlook Express users who refuse to part from their bedraggled
teddy-bear of a program. Why not 'fess up about it?

On the other hand, it depends on how the poster uploads their images.
If they do so by hand (which is possible via newsreader) the uploader
can configure the program not to use yEnc. I use Agent 1.91 (hate the
3.x, they trashed the interface) and I've disabled yEnc manually for
my uploads. If anyone wants direction on how to do that for Agent,
email me or ask here.

But if I have a large number of images, I need something like Power
Post v11b, and I can't disable the yEnc encoding. It's hard-wired into
the code. I personally would have no trouble in turning off yEnc, if
that option existed. Maybe if we all wrote the author - assert at
powerpost dot cjb dot net- he would release a new version?


I agree and a FREE newsreader is easy to install. I use XNews and it
does it all.
This back and forth over YEnc is stupid. If you can't decode it, pass on
it. Simple.
JRW

"Clem" wrote in message
. 97.136...

Every group I use that allows binary posting doesn't seem to have a
problem with yenc. Actually they could care less and personally I have
not had any trouble viewing others yenc postings.


Please name one non-porn photo group where yEnc is the norm.

Joe
TGP

"The Good Poster" wrote in message
...
"Clem" wrote in message
. 97.136...

Every group I use that allows binary posting doesn't seem to have a
problem with yenc. Actually they could care less and personally I have
not had any trouble viewing others yenc postings.


Please name one non-porn photo group where yEnc is the norm.

Joe
TGP

I just kill file them otherwise they drag out a war on the yEnc and then
nothing gets posted because they fill the the space with argueing about
it....I won't debate it nor will I try to force them to change. Its their
stuff to post so let them. Its too easy to killfile them and ever newsgroup
I go to if I see yEnc BURRPPPP killfiled. End of story.....
Even thou I usully just lurk here I do want to Thank All the posters For
some really GREAT aircraft Photos THANKS...