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Holding Pattern Question
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... If no delay is expected, why issue a hold? For a variety of reasons. Let's say your destination is an uncontrolled field and there's traffic ahead of you for that field. The controller can't clear you for the approach because the preceding aircraft hasn't cancelled, but he expects it to cancel before you'd experience any delay. |
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Holding Pattern Question
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... If no delay is expected, why issue a hold? For a variety of reasons. Let's say your destination is an uncontrolled field and there's traffic ahead of you for that field. The controller can't clear you for the approach because the preceding aircraft hasn't cancelled, but he expects it to cancel before you'd experience any delay. In that case, you better ask for an EFC if you haven't received further clearance prior to arrival at the holding fix. Matt |
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Holding Pattern Question
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ... "Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... If no delay is expected, why issue a hold? For a variety of reasons. Let's say your destination is an uncontrolled field and there's traffic ahead of you for that field. The controller can't clear you for the approach because the preceding aircraft hasn't cancelled, but he expects it to cancel before you'd experience any delay. I thought you had to get an expect further clearance time as part of the hold instructions in case your radio failed shortly after directed to hold? Otherwise, how would you know how many turns to make in holding before proceeding on course? I'm not arguing, just asking, Dennis |
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Holding Pattern Question
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... In that case, you better ask for an EFC if you haven't received further clearance prior to arrival at the holding fix. Yes, but in that case the controller expects to issue an approach clearance before you arrive at the holding fix. That's why no delay is expected. |
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Holding Pattern Question
"Dennis Johnson" wrote in message . .. I thought you had to get an expect further clearance time as part of the hold instructions in case your radio failed shortly after directed to hold? Otherwise, how would you know how many turns to make in holding before proceeding on course? I'm not arguing, just asking, Why is it that comm radios fail but nav radios do not? http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...406.html#4-6-1 |
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Holding Pattern Question
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... In that case, you better ask for an EFC if you haven't received further clearance prior to arrival at the holding fix. Yes, but in that case the controller expects to issue an approach clearance before you arrive at the holding fix. That's why no delay is expected. It just seems odd that they would issue the hold then. I guess it saves a little time if you do actually have to hold, but it also seems like it would be easy to also forget to issue the EFC. Matt |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Dennis Johnson" wrote in message . .. I thought you had to get an expect further clearance time as part of the hold instructions in case your radio failed shortly after directed to hold? Otherwise, how would you know how many turns to make in holding before proceeding on course? I'm not arguing, just asking, Why is it that comm radios fail but nav radios do not? http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...406.html#4-6-1 Probably because com radios require a functioning microphone, PTT and speakers or earphones. More parts to fail and thus more likelihood of failure. Most pilots carry enough spares, but even so there is more likelihood of a comm failure than a nav failure. Matt |
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Holding Pattern Question
On 09/24/07 17:54, Dennis Johnson wrote:
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ... "Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... If no delay is expected, why issue a hold? For a variety of reasons. Let's say your destination is an uncontrolled field and there's traffic ahead of you for that field. The controller can't clear you for the approach because the preceding aircraft hasn't cancelled, but he expects it to cancel before you'd experience any delay. I thought you had to get an expect further clearance time as part of the hold instructions in case your radio failed shortly after directed to hold? Otherwise, how would you know how many turns to make in holding before proceeding on course? I'm not arguing, just asking, Dennis The EFC is of use only if you experience communication failure. Assuming that's the case, then with no EFC, you're expected to proceed upon reaching the holding fix as though the EFC was zero. -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot Cal Aggie Flying Farmers Sacramento, CA |
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Holding Pattern Question
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... It just seems odd that they would issue the hold then. I guess it saves a little time if you do actually have to hold, but it also seems like it would be easy to also forget to issue the EFC. Well, if things don't go as expected, what do you think can cause the greater problem, not issuing the EFC, or not issuing the hold? |
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Holding Pattern Question
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: "Dennis Johnson" wrote in message . .. I thought you had to get an expect further clearance time as part of the hold instructions in case your radio failed shortly after directed to hold? Otherwise, how would you know how many turns to make in holding before proceeding on course? I'm not arguing, just asking, Why is it that comm radios fail but nav radios do not? I've had several lost-comms. I seem to remember: 1) Fried xmit relay in the audio panel 2) Defective headset jacks 3) Broken wire in my headset cable None of these affected the nav radios. |
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