Consequence of shifting carry-on luggage to checked luggage for aircraft weight

Grumman-581 wrote:
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:06:32 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:
How do you "stand by" the X-ray machine with check baggage?
If you claim it has a firearm locked inside it must be
checked baggage.

Maybe it depends upon what airport you're flying through, but the ones
that I fly through have the TSA x-ray and sniffer machines either
right near the ticket counter or at least very close... This is
different than the machines that you go through for your carry-on
luggage...
Yeah, like I've got freaking time to do that.

Good question.


"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| Honest citizens can't carry a firearm in Chicago. The
gang
| bangers have no problem. Illinois is totally screwed
up,
| not just the gun laws either.
|
| Does Chicago have any honest citizens left?
|
| Matt

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
All well and good, but that doesn't resolve the problem I've raised,
although what you quote appears to confirm that the average estimated
passenger weight _does_ include some presumed weight of carry-on
luggage.

Carry-ons are NOT counted individually. An historical average is calculated
to determine the number of carry-ons per person, and then that average is
all that is used from that point on. It doesn't matter if all or non of the
passengers has a carry-on. Also, if the carry-on is stowed in the overhead
compartment or in the baggage hold, the total weight is the same.

The consequence of shifting carry-ons is inconsequential.

D.

"Richard Riley" wrote

Years ago I was told a story by a 727 pilot, about a charter flight
where they aborted the takeoff because they weren't getting the
accelleration they were expecting. Turned out the flight was a
charter by coin collectors, they all had 50-100 lbs of rare, expensive
coins in their carry on stuff.

I have always wondered if the pilots of the 747 that the Ohio State
University Marching Band had chartered to fly to California , had the
correct weight of all of the extra weight of the all brass instruments in
the band. I have a feeling that they did, from the spool up before the
brakes released!
--
Jim in NC

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message

But it's an example of the kinds of things that change when you
suddenly declare new "security" rules without thinking things through.

How do you know that things were not thought through? Do you assume this
because you were not invited to the meetings? (and please, forego the "they
didn't think through xxx" argument, as it is irrelevant to your present
question) Perhaps they were thought through in great detail -- by
professionals -- and they reached the same conclusion many of us have - that
it really doesn't make much difference at all.

John Gaquin writes:

How do you know that things were not thought through?

Because I came up with this easily, and others have come up with other
things.

Do you assume this because you were not invited to the meetings?

No, I base this on the generally manifest incompetence of the agencies
involved, and on the clear inadequacy and inappropriateness of the
procedures they have in place.

Perhaps they were thought through in great detail -- by
professionals -- and they reached the same conclusion many of us have - that
it really doesn't make much difference at all.

Perhaps. But I wouldn't be money on it.

Did you see that the UK just let a 12-year-old onto a plane without a
ticket or boarding pass and nobody even noticed it until he was
sipping a drink?

--
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
No, I base this on the generally manifest incompetence of the agencies
involved, and on the clear inadequacy and inappropriateness of the
procedures they have in place.

Estimated weight and balance procedures came about over many years with
significant imput from the ones who have the most to lose- the crewmembers.
The referenced Charlotte BE19 crash was the result of an improperly set
elevator limit.

Perhaps. But I wouldn't be money on it.

You lose.

D.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message

How do you know that things were not thought through?

Because I came up with this easily, and others have come up with other
things.

Do you assume this because you were not invited to the meetings?

No, I base this on the generally manifest incompetence of the agencies
involved, and on the clear inadequacy and inappropriateness of the
procedures they have in place.

This may come as a substantial shock to you, but there are folks in many
walks of life, including government, who are just as bright as you. Railing
against bureaucracy is fun, particularly when you are not the one who has to
be responsible, but way, way too easy to be anything but a low-grade
diversion.

John Gaquin writes:

This may come as a substantial shock to you, but there are folks in many
walks of life, including government, who are just as bright as you.

Unfortunately, they are not always the people who are put in charge.

--
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Emily wrote:
Jim Macklin wrote:
Are those fun bags saline or liquid explosive?

Did that fellow have plastic explosive surgery?

Instead of drugs, did they swallow explosives?

Ideas like these?

I think I've told this story here before, but I heard Ollie North tell a
great story an incident at Raleigh just after the shoe bomber incident.
Basically, when the TSA told him to take off his shoes and he asked
why, the TSA officer said, "Well, sir, I don't know if you heard about
this, but someone tried to blow up a plane with his shoe." North looked
at him and said, "So what happens when someone tries to blow up a plane
with his underwear." Next thing he knew, he was up against the wall
waiting for the cops to show up to deal with the guy with the bomb in
his underwear.

The TSA officer has no idea who he was, but the cops did when they
showed up. He said even after the cops called him Colonel North and
explained to the TSA officer who he was, he still didn't know. I'm
really not sure what that says about the TSA.

My brother's idea is just to make everyone fly naked.

Well, at 61 years of age, I guarantee that you (and for that matter, no
one else) wants to see ME fly naked!

Now, if all the ladies fly naked too, that might be an idea worth exploring.