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Stephen Harding wrote:
TJ wrote: Stephen Harding wrote in message ... Did Venik go back to Russia? Still apparently living in the US: http://www.aeronautics.ru/about.htm "Venik Philadelphia, PA 01/11/2004" Back in 2001 he claimed the following: "Subject: Venik is defiant but increasingly isolated... View: Complete Thread (24 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military Date: 2001-11-08 08:14:30 PST I am not a foreign national and I do not accept welfare. I am a US citizen and I work at a defense company. Get a clue. Venik" Ahh yes, now I remember. You've brought some old brain cells back into the net. Thanks. SMH For me too, however I'm not sure that they're all that welcome... -- -Gord. |
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Stephen Harding wrote:
wrote: Stephen Harding wrote: Ahh yes, now I remember. You've brought some old brain cells back into the net. Thanks. For me too, however I'm not sure that they're all that welcome... Don't you know the treatment for that Gord? Self-dose with liberal amounts of alcohol and the unwelcome are soon gone! SMH Yep!...worked the last time Steve...can't argue with success!... -- -Gord. |
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"Venik" wrote in message ...
TJ, are you again being my personal biographer? I find it flattering, of course, but can't help wondering what's your real job? Venik, you know my real job. It is to keep all those substantial NATO losses covered up from dedicated professional researchers like yourself! My team is literally on breaking point after all the detailed research that you compiled. One of the hardest jobs is covering up all the START accountable heavy strategic bombers missing from the US inventory. Your research, I must say, was absolutely fantastic g http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws001/planesreturning.htm Venik wrote: "BUFFs Now, let's get to the B-52 issue: the Pentagon announced that 11 of these aircraft will be returning to the US. Here is the complete list of those American aircraft that are expected to return to the US by July 8, 1999: "The Pentagon is ordering 300 of the aircraft it used in the Kosovo campaign back to their bases in the United States and Europe. These warplanes are returning to their bases in the next two weeks: 12 F-117s to Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico. 2 EC-130s to Davis-Monthan AFB, Ariz. 4 EA-6Bs to Whidbey Island Naval Air Station, Wash. 3 EA-6Bs to Cherry Point Marine Air Station, N.C. 12 F-16s to Shaw AFB, S.C. 1P-3 to Brunswick NAS, Maine. 11 B-52s to Barksdale AFB, La. 6 B-1s to Ellsworth AFB, S.D. 27 KC-135 tankers to various bases. 26 F-15s to the U.S. air base at Lakenheath, England. 20 F-16s to the U.S. air base at Spangdahlem, Germany." (source: ABC News) A total of 18 B-52s were deployed to England at the beginning of the aggression - 16 planes from 2nd Bomb. Wing (Barksdale AFB) and 2 from the 5th Bomb. Wing (the latter two returned to the US earlier during the conflict). CNN reported that all American B-52s returned to the US (by "all" CNN meant 11.) This either means that CNN messed up or that the 11 B-52s is in fact all that survived the war. Curiously, Serbs claimed to have shot down or damaged five B-52s. Again, the math is rather straight forward: 16 - 5 = 11." entry #251: on May 13 at about 4:25 near Nova Pazova one B-52H was hit by a SAM and crashed shortly after in the area of Dobanovci entry #284: on May 20 at 3:03 a B-52H was hit over Borca (near Belgrade), as was announced by Yugoslav government officials and television. entry #289: on the same May 20 at about 4:00 another B-52H was shot down Mt. Cer, southwest of Sabac. entry #301: on May 22 at 2:35 a B-52H was shot down over Lipovica, near Belgrade. entry #380: on June 7 between 0:12 and 0:40 a suspected B-52H was shot down in the area between Slankamen and Indija. http://www.aeronautics.ru/natodown.htm Venik's B-2 compilation: "20th of May -.Surcin, Belgrade B-2A Spirit of Missouri, ser. no. AV-8 88-0329. After a direct SAM hit, aircraft crashed near the village of Dec, Pecinci district, between Simanovci and Kupinovo." "1st of June- Srem, Vojvodina B-2A shot down. Aircraft crashed into Forest of Spacva, eastern Croatia. According to the unofficial reports, the aircraft in question is Spirit of Washington ser. no. AV-11 88-0332 but that is still unconfirmed." "8th of May - Airfield Petrovec, Skopje Heavily damaged B-2A, after a direct hit by Yugoslav air defense tried to crash-land but 'cut off' a mountain top instead and exploded." "Reports that the B-2A, downed on May 20, 1999, crashed in the Spacva forest in Croatia are false. This information is being spread by certain Yugoslav officials (?) to divert public attention from the fact that B-2A wreck is being studied at the VTI research facility in Yugoslavia. As was originally reported, the aircraft crashed near Lake Obedska bara in the Dec area." "May 20 One American B-2A Spirit strategic stealth bomber (possibly AV-8 88-0329 Spirit of Missouri) was shot down on 05-20-99 over Surcin at 01:00 local time. The aircraft crashed near the village of Dec (Detch), Pecinci county (in the field between Simanovci and Kupinovo; map 1; map2; map 3). The flight of three B-2As (normally B-2A fly in pairs, one acting as a backup for another) entered Yugoslavian airspace from the northwest and was escorted by several fighter aircraft (B-2As are usually escorted over Yugoslavia by F-15C fighters and F-16CJ fighter/bombers in SEAD role; every mission of B-2As requires about 50 escort and support aircraft). The B-2As were detected by long-wave early-warning radars. The bombers reduced altitude and attacked its targets in Belgrade. One of the B-2As was hit by a SAM in the area of the cockpit and crashed shortly after. Crew was killed in the crash. The incident was reported by Ilustrovana Politika magazine on 06-01-99. The loss of the B-2A "Spirit" on May 20, 1999, was confirmed by the Foreign Military Review magazine - the official publication of Russian Defense Ministry. ITAR-TASS report here. Tanjug report here. According to the latest reports, the B-2A crashed near the Obedska Bara Lake in the Dec area (villages of Simanovci and Kupinovo). An eyewitness report by a senior Yugoslav army officer indicates that the B-2A was picked up by a radar and sustained a direct hit. The aircraft caught on fire and crashed not far from where it was intercepted by the missile. Parts of the B-2A, including the forward landing gear cover and pieces of the leading edge of the wing, have been seen at the VTI (Military Technology Institute) research facility in Yugoslavia. Reports that the B-2A, downed on May 20, 1999, crashed in the Spacva forest in Croatia are false. This information is being spread by certain Yugoslav officials (?) to divert public attention from the fact that B-2A wreck is being studied at the VTI research facility in Yugoslavia. As was originally reported, the aircraft crashed near Lake Obedska bara in the Dec area." TJ |
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I am sure he knows everything about this treatment.
-- Venik www.aeronautics.ru "Stephen Harding" wrote in message ... wrote: Stephen Harding wrote: Ahh yes, now I remember. You've brought some old brain cells back into the net. Thanks. For me too, however I'm not sure that they're all that welcome... Don't you know the treatment for that Gord? Self-dose with liberal amounts of alcohol and the unwelcome are soon gone! SMH |
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Again, I am flattered that you know my site by heart. Sometimes you should click those links and see my sources. As you may
suspect, I am not Milosevic or General Pavkovic, so I must be getting the info from sources other than my chief of staff (incidentally, all of the sources are mentioned on my site). -- Venik www.aeronautics.ru "TJ" wrote in message om... "Venik" wrote in message ... TJ, are you again being my personal biographer? I find it flattering, of course, but can't help wondering what's your real job? Venik, you know my real job. It is to keep all those substantial NATO losses covered up from dedicated professional researchers like yourself! My team is literally on breaking point after all the detailed research that you compiled. One of the hardest jobs is covering up all the START accountable heavy strategic bombers missing from the US inventory. Your research, I must say, was absolutely fantastic g http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws001/planesreturning.htm Venik wrote: "BUFFs Now, let's get to the B-52 issue: the Pentagon announced that 11 of these aircraft will be returning to the US. Here is the complete list of those American aircraft that are expected to return to the US by July 8, 1999: "The Pentagon is ordering 300 of the aircraft it used in the Kosovo campaign back to their bases in the United States and Europe. These warplanes are returning to their bases in the next two weeks: 12 F-117s to Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico. 2 EC-130s to Davis-Monthan AFB, Ariz. 4 EA-6Bs to Whidbey Island Naval Air Station, Wash. 3 EA-6Bs to Cherry Point Marine Air Station, N.C. 12 F-16s to Shaw AFB, S.C. 1P-3 to Brunswick NAS, Maine. 11 B-52s to Barksdale AFB, La. 6 B-1s to Ellsworth AFB, S.D. 27 KC-135 tankers to various bases. 26 F-15s to the U.S. air base at Lakenheath, England. 20 F-16s to the U.S. air base at Spangdahlem, Germany." (source: ABC News) A total of 18 B-52s were deployed to England at the beginning of the aggression - 16 planes from 2nd Bomb. Wing (Barksdale AFB) and 2 from the 5th Bomb. Wing (the latter two returned to the US earlier during the conflict). CNN reported that all American B-52s returned to the US (by "all" CNN meant 11.) This either means that CNN messed up or that the 11 B-52s is in fact all that survived the war. Curiously, Serbs claimed to have shot down or damaged five B-52s. Again, the math is rather straight forward: 16 - 5 = 11." entry #251: on May 13 at about 4:25 near Nova Pazova one B-52H was hit by a SAM and crashed shortly after in the area of Dobanovci entry #284: on May 20 at 3:03 a B-52H was hit over Borca (near Belgrade), as was announced by Yugoslav government officials and television. entry #289: on the same May 20 at about 4:00 another B-52H was shot down Mt. Cer, southwest of Sabac. entry #301: on May 22 at 2:35 a B-52H was shot down over Lipovica, near Belgrade. entry #380: on June 7 between 0:12 and 0:40 a suspected B-52H was shot down in the area between Slankamen and Indija. http://www.aeronautics.ru/natodown.htm Venik's B-2 compilation: "20th of May -.Surcin, Belgrade B-2A Spirit of Missouri, ser. no. AV-8 88-0329. After a direct SAM hit, aircraft crashed near the village of Dec, Pecinci district, between Simanovci and Kupinovo." "1st of June- Srem, Vojvodina B-2A shot down. Aircraft crashed into Forest of Spacva, eastern Croatia. According to the unofficial reports, the aircraft in question is Spirit of Washington ser. no. AV-11 88-0332 but that is still unconfirmed." "8th of May - Airfield Petrovec, Skopje Heavily damaged B-2A, after a direct hit by Yugoslav air defense tried to crash-land but 'cut off' a mountain top instead and exploded." "Reports that the B-2A, downed on May 20, 1999, crashed in the Spacva forest in Croatia are false. This information is being spread by certain Yugoslav officials (?) to divert public attention from the fact that B-2A wreck is being studied at the VTI research facility in Yugoslavia. As was originally reported, the aircraft crashed near Lake Obedska bara in the Dec area." "May 20 One American B-2A Spirit strategic stealth bomber (possibly AV-8 88-0329 Spirit of Missouri) was shot down on 05-20-99 over Surcin at 01:00 local time. The aircraft crashed near the village of Dec (Detch), Pecinci county (in the field between Simanovci and Kupinovo; map 1; map2; map 3). The flight of three B-2As (normally B-2A fly in pairs, one acting as a backup for another) entered Yugoslavian airspace from the northwest and was escorted by several fighter aircraft (B-2As are usually escorted over Yugoslavia by F-15C fighters and F-16CJ fighter/bombers in SEAD role; every mission of B-2As requires about 50 escort and support aircraft). The B-2As were detected by long-wave early-warning radars. The bombers reduced altitude and attacked its targets in Belgrade. One of the B-2As was hit by a SAM in the area of the cockpit and crashed shortly after. Crew was killed in the crash. The incident was reported by Ilustrovana Politika magazine on 06-01-99. The loss of the B-2A "Spirit" on May 20, 1999, was confirmed by the Foreign Military Review magazine - the official publication of Russian Defense Ministry. ITAR-TASS report here. Tanjug report here. According to the latest reports, the B-2A crashed near the Obedska Bara Lake in the Dec area (villages of Simanovci and Kupinovo). An eyewitness report by a senior Yugoslav army officer indicates that the B-2A was picked up by a radar and sustained a direct hit. The aircraft caught on fire and crashed not far from where it was intercepted by the missile. Parts of the B-2A, including the forward landing gear cover and pieces of the leading edge of the wing, have been seen at the VTI (Military Technology Institute) research facility in Yugoslavia. Reports that the B-2A, downed on May 20, 1999, crashed in the Spacva forest in Croatia are false. This information is being spread by certain Yugoslav officials (?) to divert public attention from the fact that B-2A wreck is being studied at the VTI research facility in Yugoslavia. As was originally reported, the aircraft crashed near Lake Obedska bara in the Dec area." TJ |
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"Venik" wrote in message ...
Again, I am flattered that you know my site by heart. Sometimes you should click those links and see my sources. As you may suspect, I am not Milosevic or General Pavkovic, so I must be getting the info from sources other than my chief of staff (incidentally, all of the sources are mentioned on my site). -- Venik www.aeronautics.ru Yes, but sadly Venik you actually believe these things happened! Again I'll ask you how the START accountable heavy strategic bomber losses are being covered up? http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws001/countingmigs.htm The above is an absolute joke. Are you aware that the Serbs came back to the Vienna and Dayton Accord at the end of 1999 and admitted to having lost 50 combat capable fixed wing aircraft? Out of those 11 were MiG-29s lost to all causes between 24 March 1999 and the end of conflict. Since the end of the conflict the 127th at Batajnica has four Fulcrum A and 1 Fulrum B left. To make up the squadron numbers the Serbs have to rely on the 127th being predominately made up of Fishbed and Mongol. To justify your claim you are relying solely on the gaff made by Jamie Shea when he mixed up 29s with 21s. The only type that left Slatina under technical agreement were those MiG-21s filmed by UAV and caught on camera by the media as they tranisted north. http://www.aeronautics.ru/fakemig.htm Please explain why you have ONE still from a near 3 minute video?. I even offered to send you a copy of the tape and I sent you the stills that show nothing more than the remains of a 600 gallon F-15 fuel tank. Major Peric even admitted in interview that no ordnance was fired by either him or his wingman and both MiGs fell in Bosnia with their weapons load of R-73 and R-27s. TJ |
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So your problem is not with my sources but with my beliefs? You are an interesting person. I don't think you are in charge
of the Russian START inspections and neither am I, so you are addressing the question to a wrong person. -- Venik www.aeronautics.ru "TJ" wrote in message om... "Venik" wrote in message ... Again, I am flattered that you know my site by heart. Sometimes you should click those links and see my sources. As you may suspect, I am not Milosevic or General Pavkovic, so I must be getting the info from sources other than my chief of staff (incidentally, all of the sources are mentioned on my site). -- Venik www.aeronautics.ru Yes, but sadly Venik you actually believe these things happened! Again I'll ask you how the START accountable heavy strategic bomber losses are being covered up? http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws001/countingmigs.htm The above is an absolute joke. Are you aware that the Serbs came back to the Vienna and Dayton Accord at the end of 1999 and admitted to having lost 50 combat capable fixed wing aircraft? Out of those 11 were MiG-29s lost to all causes between 24 March 1999 and the end of conflict. Since the end of the conflict the 127th at Batajnica has four Fulcrum A and 1 Fulrum B left. To make up the squadron numbers the Serbs have to rely on the 127th being predominately made up of Fishbed and Mongol. To justify your claim you are relying solely on the gaff made by Jamie Shea when he mixed up 29s with 21s. The only type that left Slatina under technical agreement were those MiG-21s filmed by UAV and caught on camera by the media as they tranisted north. http://www.aeronautics.ru/fakemig.htm Please explain why you have ONE still from a near 3 minute video?. I even offered to send you a copy of the tape and I sent you the stills that show nothing more than the remains of a 600 gallon F-15 fuel tank. Major Peric even admitted in interview that no ordnance was fired by either him or his wingman and both MiGs fell in Bosnia with their weapons load of R-73 and R-27s. TJ |
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