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Old September 14th 04, 02:02 AM
Keith Willshaw
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"stop spam" wrote in message
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From a blog I frequent... interesting parallel, perhaps, especially if you
compare the Iran-Iraq war and the invasion of Kuwait with Hitler's
pre-1939 maneuvering?


If, in 1937, Franklin D. Roosevelt would have invaded Germany, captured
Hitler, neutralized the Nazi party, and dismantled the standing military,
thus saving europe from the ravages of war, genocide, and crimes against
humanity, then the United States would have been condemned in shame by the
world as an imperialist nation of pre-emptive aggressors, and FDR would
have been cast out of office in the subsequent election.

....and yet, he would have been a Genius who was never celebrated for it.


It would have been impossible.

The US Army in 1937 wasnt big enough to invade any
country in Europe except Monaco and Lichenstein

Keith


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Old September 14th 04, 02:31 AM
robert j. kolker
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Keith Willshaw wrote:
The US Army in 1937 wasnt big enough to invade any
country in Europe except Monaco and Lichenstein


IIRC, the U.S. Armed Forces ranked 20-th in the world, behind the armed
forces of Roumania!

Bob Kolker

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Old September 14th 04, 02:39 AM
Pooh Bear
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Emmanuel Gustin wrote:

in 1937. Simply overturning Germany
would at best have resulted in a postponement of the crisis


Errrr...... No. It would have stopped WW2.

Most Germans would have been glad to have seen Nazi tryanny overurned.

Many Germans simply feared the Nazis and went along meekly - too afraid to
say even Booh !


Graham

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Old September 14th 04, 03:10 AM
Peter Stickney
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In article 9Yq1d.187109$Fg5.159779@attbi_s53,
"robert j. kolker" writes:


Emmanuel Gustin wrote:
The problem with such comparisons is that right-wingers are
always comparing Bush with Churchill, FDR, Kennedy, etc.;


Just what did Kennedy do in his short 3 years, besides screw up the Bay
of Pigs invasion? Creating the Camelot ambiance does not count.


Well, there was also the Berlin Crisis of 1961, which saw a long-term
nuclear showdown with the Soviets, including having the the National
Guard activated to, among other things, stand Victor Alert (That's
nuclear bombs at the end of the runway) in Europe, and that Cuban
Missile Thingy, and continuous Airborne Alert with fully armed B-52s -
until a couple of them crashed with live weapons on board, and the MLF
(Multi-Lateral Force: Basically big freighters with Polaris missile
tubes and NATO crews, which would Sail the Seas to deter the
Soviets. (As Tom Lehrer put it "We've got the missiles, the peace to
deter-mine, and one of the fingers on the Button will be German."))

We spent most of the Kennedy era with the Guard and Reserve activated,
with everybody primed for Nuclear Conflict, toe-to-toe with the
Russkies. One crisis after another. Now, mind you, a lot of that was
due to Kruschev's hopeless misreading of Kennedy's intellect and
willpower, but I can recall some rather scary times.

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Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster
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Old September 14th 04, 03:22 AM
Nicholas Smid
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"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
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Emmanuel Gustin wrote:

in 1937. Simply overturning Germany
would at best have resulted in a postponement of the crisis


Errrr...... No. It would have stopped WW2.

Most Germans would have been glad to have seen Nazi tryanny overurned.

Many Germans simply feared the Nazis and went along meekly - too afraid to
say even Booh !

Actually most Germans thought Hitler was doing just fine untill well into
the war, ofcourse after the war they naturaly sung a very different tune,
had to if they expected to hold down any job better than ditch digging.
Through the 30's the Nazies were very populer and really only oppressed the
small minority who activly oposed them, or the Jews, but then who in Europe
at the time thought oppresing jews was a bad thing?

Graham



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Old September 14th 04, 04:06 AM
Steve Hix
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In article ,
"Keith Willshaw" wrote:

"stop spam" wrote in message
...
From a blog I frequent... interesting parallel, perhaps, especially if you
compare the Iran-Iraq war and the invasion of Kuwait with Hitler's
pre-1939 maneuvering?


If, in 1937, Franklin D. Roosevelt would have invaded Germany, captured
Hitler, neutralized the Nazi party, and dismantled the standing military,
thus saving europe from the ravages of war, genocide, and crimes against
humanity, then the United States would have been condemned in shame by the
world as an imperialist nation of pre-emptive aggressors, and FDR would
have been cast out of office in the subsequent election.

....and yet, he would have been a Genius who was never celebrated for it.


It would have been impossible.

The US Army in 1937 wasnt big enough to invade any
country in Europe except Monaco and Lichenstein


Couldn't have afforded the steamship tickets to get over there, either.
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Old September 14th 04, 04:08 AM
Steve Hix
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In article ,
Pooh Bear wrote:

Emmanuel Gustin wrote:

in 1937. Simply overturning Germany
would at best have resulted in a postponement of the crisis


Errrr...... No. It would have stopped WW2.


Part of it, perhaps.

Japan was already rampaging through China and the Far East, and Italy was
already fumbling around in Africa.

Most Germans would have been glad to have seen Nazi tryanny overurned.

Many Germans simply feared the Nazis and went along meekly - too afraid to
say even Booh !


There was clearly a bit more support than that. There weren't enough
Nazis around to drag the entire population along unwillingly.
 




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