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On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 03:41:11 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote: And I'm still giggling, probably from sleep deprivation. Here's how it happened snip Great story, Jay. Thanks! -J Jack Davis B-737 -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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I'm still trying to figure out why TECHNICALLY you are permitted to manipulate the controls during a for-pay charter flight, even if the flight is under Part 91. You're not manipulating the controls. You are an organic autopilot. Jose -- (for Email, make the obvious changes in my address) |
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Maybe I can talk the boss into a trip out there and you can get some
JetProp time. What's a JetProp? I'm up for it, whatever it is! Do you have a Skyraider room? If so, he definitely WILL come out. Well, that will depend on our decision regarding the Viet Nam era. I suspect it will be called the "Phantom Suite" just because of the double meaning of the word. This is an important distinction for us. You and I know the "Memphis Belle" suite is about a bomber, but most of our guests think it's decorated in an English Country style, and sounds pretty. "Skyraider" will probably be discarded for the same reason "Hellcat" was -- we just don't want that kind of name associated with the hotel, since the uninformed (who make up the majority of our guests) will misinterpret the meaning. (Heck, I even had the "Hellcat Suite" door plaque made before we decided against *that* one...) -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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You're not manipulating the controls. You are an organic autopilot.
Well, I guess I've been called worse things... ;-) -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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C.J.
Jay only handled the controls during the repositioning portion of flight. No passengers/customers were aboard during this time. Is the C90 rated for single pilot? If so, anyone pilot desires can occupy the right seat even a passenger or customer. Am I correct and will this make someone sleep better ) Big John For what's it's worth. I used to let none rated fly both Heavy Iron and GA. Even got my Flight Surgeon proficient enough he could have landed the T-33 if I had had a heart attack. Sure made my annual physical easier G Welcome aboard Jay. On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:42:11 -0800, "C J Campbell" wrote: "Peter Duniho" wrote in message ... "Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:ITU%b.426694$na.929519@attbi_s04... How does it feel to have turbine time in your logbook? Well, TECHNICALLY, not being multi-engine rated, I suppose I can't legally log the time. And TECHNICALLY, Ron's not a CFI, so I guess I can't legally can't log the time. You can log whatever you want. You just can't use the time toward some FAA requirement. Make sure it's noted/excluded somehow, and otherwise put it in the log book however you want. But you know what? I'm not building hours for anything or anyone. I'm gonna write 'em in the book anyway! :-) I'm still trying to figure out why TECHNICALLY you are permitted to manipulate the controls during a for-pay charter flight, even if the flight is under Part 91. I suspect you broke an FAR somewhere, but I admit that I don't know where that FAR might be. Not in Part 91, I know that. If the flight is part 91 then it is subject to part 91 rules, none of which would forbid even a non-pilot from operating the controls. The flight is not really a charter. A doctor donates the use of his airplane and pilot to fly a mission for a related party. Hardly unusual and certainly well within the limits of part 91. Now, whether the flight violated school sports recruiting standards might be another matter. :-) |
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Jay Honeck wrote: If I had to choose between having the stripper on board, with me as a passenger -- or me on board, acting as co-pilot in the right seat -- I'd choose the right seat. You don't usually get to handle the controls with a stripper. :-( George Patterson A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that you look forward to the trip. |
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"Big John" wrote in message ... C.J. Jay only handled the controls during the repositioning portion of flight. No passengers/customers were aboard during this time. Is the C90 rated for single pilot? If so, anyone pilot desires can occupy the right seat even a passenger or customer. Am I correct and will this make someone sleep better ) Big John For what's it's worth. I used to let none rated fly both Heavy Iron and GA. Even got my Flight Surgeon proficient enough he could have landed the T-33 if I had had a heart attack. Sure made my annual physical easier G Welcome aboard Jay. The C90 is rated for single pilot. In fact, it requires no type rating at all. It is fairly easy to fly, but I still have to think that flying a multi-engine turboprop single pilot IFR has to be one of the most exhausting jobs in aviation. FTR, I was not the one worried about Jay handling the controls. I suspect his biggest problem was a tendency to taxi too fast. Everyone does that first time out in a King Air. |
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Or its not true.
It doesn't cost anywhere near $900/hr to operate a KA90 unless you are flying 50hrs/yr. If you look around you will see that almost nobody is even asking $900/hr for charter work and presumably they intend to make a profit. It would be cheaper to charter a Citation than a KA90 if the KA90 was $900hr. Mike MU-2 "Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:IRU%b.420258$xy6.2411834@attbi_s02... Great story! If a KA90 costs $900/hr to operate, I wonder how these guys are chartering one for $775? http://www.fargojet.com/charter_kingair-c90.htm Must not be paying their pilots as well? -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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So if I fly my MU-2 for 15 minutes a year, is it accurate to say that it
"costs $100,000/hr to operate a MU-2"? I suppose that if the KA90 is flown under 100hrs per year and is financed with expensive money, then one might come up with $900/hr. My point is that it is not really an accurate statement to say the a KA90 costs $900/hr to operate. It might be accurate to say: "because of my low utilization, it costs $900/hr for me to operate my KA90, if I had average utilization my cost would be about $500/hr" My own approach is to split "ownership costs" from "operating costs". Fixed costs are "ownership costs" and I compare them to the long term (annual or longer) benefit of owning an airplane. Fuel and maitenance are "operating cost" that are used to assess whether it makes sense to make a particular flight. Since I am only flying about 150hrs/yr, fixed costs are a large percentage of the total but they are "sunk cost" and don't have any relevence on whether to make a flight or not. Mike MU-2 "C J Campbell" wrote in message ... "Mike Rapoport" wrote in message link.net... Great story! If a KA90 costs $900/hr to operate, I wonder how these guys are chartering one for $775? http://www.fargojet.com/charter_kingair-c90.htm It depends on the age of the plane and how you amortize the cost. Actual operating cost of a King Air C90 is about $1/mile, or less than $300/hour. If your King Air does not fly much, you have to spread fixed costs like insurance, annual inspections, and interest over fewer hours, meaning a higher cost per hour. So the cost per hour for a charter company may well be lower than that of a less frequently used corporate plane. |
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I doubt that they are taking a loss on their *asking* price, particularly
since the standard *asking* price of a chartered C90 seems to be $775-$850. The Jetprop 1000 is more comperable to a B200 than a C90. Remember they were only paying one pilot (and maybe not even him) too! Mike MU-2 "Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message ... "Mike Rapoport" wrote in message link.net... Great story! If a KA90 costs $900/hr to operate, I wonder how these guys are chartering one for $775? http://www.fargojet.com/charter_kingair-c90.htm Where do you see $900 in there. What I see is the PRICE of $775 (meaning they'd take a loss of $125 an hour). My numbers how a direct hourly cost of $558 for a C90. Hell, our company JetProp1000 costs about $625 (direct $$). |
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