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Subject: PC flight simulators
From: Steve Date: 11/19/03 2:22 PM Pacific Standard Time 1943!! ROFLMAO!! If you were with us (The 344th Bomb Group) in 1943 I don't think you would have found much to laugh about. We sure didn't. There was a lot going on, but none of it was very funny. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"Mike Marron" wrote in message ... "Gord Beaman" ) wrote: (ArtKramr) wrote: I don;t know much. Just a few lessons learned over the Rhine Valley in 1944 and 1945. BTW, I didn't see you there so maybe you are the one who doesn't know much about the reality of flying for sure. That is why you are confused about MSFS and real flying. You should be ashamed of yourself... After he was caught responding to his own posts Accused (by one person), never verified. Pete from his anonymous "Autocollimator" account and "agreeing" with himself, he should also be absolutely MORTIFIED beyond words. Hard to believe that he even has the balls to show his chicken****, lying face on this NG after that outrageous stunt! |
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On 19 Nov 2003 22:30:20 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:
Subject: PC flight simulators From: Steve Date: 11/19/03 2:22 PM Pacific Standard Time 1943!! ROFLMAO!! If you were with us (The 344th Bomb Group) in 1943 I don't think you would have found much to laugh about. We sure didn't. There was a lot going on, but none of it was very funny. Could you tell more about that simulator, Art? How were the visuals done? What computed the flight model? Bye Andreas |
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:57:37 GMT, (Corey
C. Jordan) wrote: Sorry John, I clicked on the wrong message to reply.... Stupid of me. Anyway, John is CORRECT!!!!! Come and try an online combat sim and find out how real it can be, and indeed, how gamey it sometimes becomes. But, if you want to learn basic ACM, understand the complex SA skills involved, this is the place to go.... Sure it lacks the physical dynamics of motion and G loading. But you can add to the realism by doing the following: Drink two liters of water before you begin. You can use the empty bottle to relieve yourself later. Open all the windows, and turn off the heat. Strip to you skivies and turn on any ceiling fans. Finally, write a line of code that reformats your hard drive should you get shot down or otherwise break you airplane. Now you have all the prerequisites of a WWII fighter pilot experience, you have to pee, you're freezing your ass off and you're terrified, all at the same time. Now, go fly a sortie with a sky full of enemy aircraft all out to kill you. Meanwhile, watch your six, and those you fly with. Know where all the bad guys are, their altitude and energy state. Plan your route in and out, avoiding flak concentrations and have two alternatives ready as nothing ever goes as planned. All of this and you haven't even engaged yet... Oh yeah, it's not easy.... Hell, rather than argue from a point of not knowing, try the damn thing and then come back and tell us what you have discovered. Besides, it's FREE for the first two weeks! My regards, Well John, in simple terms, you are completely incorrect. My regards, Widewing (C.C. Jordan) http://www.worldwar2aviation.com http://www.cradleofaviation.org Widewing (C.C. Jordan) http://www.worldwar2aviation.com http://www.cradleofaviation.org |
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On 19 Nov 2003 13:57:30 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:
Only REAL MEN flew the B-26. And only the B-26 could scare the **** out of the elephant.(grin) Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer Art, Aces High has the B-26, and a bombsight that requires calibration. It has the A-20G too, solid nose, no bombsight, but it's a strafing monster, and as agile as some of the fighters to boot, especially after you burn off some fuel and drop your ordnance. My regards, Widewing (C.C. Jordan) http://www.worldwar2aviation.com http://www.cradleofaviation.org |
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Ignoring the debate on wether its a game or simulator, but I will call
them simulators below (if you feel angry about this, count to 10 or something). I've flown these A-10 Cuba! X-Plane Flanker 1.0-2.0 LO-MAC demo Flight Unlimited MS Flight Sim. Ranked to the respect of how realistic/good the "feel of flight" is, IMO, not on graphics or other bells and whistles. Granted, I've not flown any of the aircraft in these simulators for real. But I took a couple of lessons in a Cessna (oh, maybe I did fly one of these in MSFS), been paragliding and is a vivid RC aircraft pilot!. So, there. Thats what the orginal poster asked for. |
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Hell, rather than argue from a point of not knowing, try the damn thing and
then come back and tell us what you have discovered. Besides, it's FREE for the first two weeks! I will concur, it is a lot of fun.. Ron Pilot/Wildland Firefighter |
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Glenfiddich wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:15:07 GMT, "Gord Beaman" wrote: "James Hart" wrote: I don't know what sim it is but this setup looks impressive. http://jameshart.mine.nu/ngs/flysim.jpg I'd sure as hell hate to prang *that* one!...it'd probably kill you! Even if all goes well, as well as the yoke and rudder pedals you get to juggle FIVE mice, a trackball and two keyboards! Somehow, I doubt the realism of that sim. Sure, it's likely 'too real', IOW it's probably 'harder' to fly than the real deal. -- -Gord. |
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Subject: PC flight simulators
From: Andreas Maurer Date: 11/19/03 4:34 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: On 19 Nov 2003 22:30:20 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote: Subject: PC flight simulators From: Steve Date: 11/19/03 2:22 PM Pacific Standard Time 1943!! ROFLMAO!! If you were with us (The 344th Bomb Group) in 1943 I don't think you would have found much to laugh about. We sure didn't. There was a lot going on, but none of it was very funny. Could you tell more about that simulator, Art? How were the visuals done? What computed the flight model? Bye Andreas .. Sure Andreas. Since you ask like a gentleman, I'll be glad to discuss it with you. As I stated before, it was a real B-26 truncated behind the radio/Nav compartment and mounted on a swive-l tilt base in a hanger. When we climbed into it the pilots went into the cockpit, and went through turning on all their switches and starting and running up the engines as if for a real takeoff. Everything lit up and came to life. I climbed into the nose, and switched on everything activating the bombsight, watched the gyro stand up and come to speed, watched the intervelometer light up and the bomb rack station indicator show loaded bomb racks on each station. Now to the interesting stuff. My view was a color photograph chart that rolled under me at groundspeed. But it was a scrambled image, That is the target area might be a port that showed Manhattan in the center, the China coast to the West and San Francisco to the East. This was to prevent anyone rom being familiar with any area so you couldn't say, "hey I lived there and know it well" You had to fly and navigate since no one had a recognition advantage. We had been briefed before the simulator drill as to the exact rarget are we were to hit and the route we were to fly. Where we were to expect flak and fighters but we were never given any indcation of the damage that we would sustain. On course we had extensive flak that shook the simulator violently. We had an engine out that rolled us violently into the dead engine but Paul and Bob caughtiit in time and we connued on course on sungle engine. We were now losing about 300 feet /minute and couldn't do a damned thing about it. We were jumped by fighterand returned fire. Our cockpit and my nose filled with smoke and had a strong cordite smell;; mixed with the odor of urine and vomit which was always present. I opened the vent and a strong relative wind blew the nose clear of smoke. We stopped losing altitiude and the target came into sight.I lined up the Norden head with the target uncaged the gyro and called "on course" to Paul locking in the Norden head to the base, Suddenly we got heavy Flak that rocked the plane violently. "please don't tumble my gyro" I prayed. ****, The gyro tumbled.I grabbed the gimble ring erector knobs, got the gyro up and caged it. But it was too late. We would now have to do a go around through that ****ing flak again. I had totally forgotten I was in a simulator. I was sweating , tense and upset about the go around as though it was real It was real to me at that point. I got on the intercom and asked Paul to hold us steady through the run.I forgot that the simulator was pre-programed and there were certain things that were going to happen that was beyond our control. On the second run we hit the target with good results. closed the bombay doors and we turned for home. The run was over, We got out of the plane sweating and shaken. Note that I call it a plane, not a simulator because to us it was a plane,not a simiulator. And we were almost surprised to find that when we got out of the plane we were in a hanger. Reality rushed back. That night we went to the officers club and over a few Scotches we drank and kept saying. "holy ****. holy ****" Adreas that is as I remember it. If you have any questions I will be glad to answer them. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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