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"Bob Gardner" wrote in message . .. What Steve said. Also, you are wrong in thinking that the controller can't clear anyone else for takeoff until you have turned off onto a taxiway. If the airplane taking off is a similar type to yours (light single, for example), all the controller needs befor issuing the takeoff clearance is 3000 feet of separation. Controller's discretion, of course. Uhh, no. In that situation, departing aircraft behind landing aircraft, the landing aircraft must taxi clear of the runway before the departing aircraft begins to roll. http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...309.html#3-9-6 |
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buttman wrote:
What does it mean when a controller says "Cleared for landing full length", or "cleared for takeoff full length"? I've never heard this said until I started flying out of this airport I'm based at now which has a 11,800 ft. runway. Does it mean he wants me to land further down towards the middle of the runway? In the past, I've always disregarded the phrase "full length" as quasi- meaningless "supplemental" information (such as "#2 for landing"). I've made about 20 landings so far here, and 3 of them resulted in a plane behind me having to do a go-around, so maybe there is something more to it. But then again, why would it even matter. I'm I'm still on the runway, the controller can't clear anyone else for takeoff anyways until I turn off the taxiway... Can someone shed some light on this? You might do what I have done in similar situations of uncertainty: Just give the tower controller or manager a phone call and ask them what they mean or expect of you (or any landing pilot). I've always gotten helpful and friendly information by talking to them directly via the landline. |
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Yep. Recently at Naples, FL they shot me out between landing aircraft.
Tower wanted me "up on the hold short line with my hand on the throttles ready to go, absolutely no delay, do NOT stop on the runway when I clear your takeoff!" I watched a 172 land long, miss the first intersection while Tower told me to stand by pending the 172 clearing the runway, again, "absolutely no delay when cleared for takeoff, standby." My head was on a swivel watching the 172 head for the second intersection and at the same time watching another aircraft on what looked to be about a 2 mile final. Tower gave me the word just as the 172 cleared the runway and we were cleared for an immediate takeoff. Once we were rolling, the landing traffic behind me was cleared to land. Jim |
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Slightly OT: Is there a difference between the meaning of "clear to land"
between US and Europe? The reason I ask is because while watching the traffic flow at FLL, I got the impression landing clearance for airplane X was given even though there were still other planes ahead, as soon as ATC is sure the separation is big enough for safety. In contrast, up here ATC gives the landing clearance only when the previous plane has actually vacated the runway. - Nils, at 60 degrees north |
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Nils Rostedt schrieb:
enough for safety. In contrast, up here ATC gives the landing clearance only when the previous plane has actually vacated the runway. I don't know the exact regulation, but I remember having once received the clearance to land when I was number 4 and had not even reached the downwind yet. This was in Germany, and I was pretty surprized. I suspect they moniored me and would have withdrawn the clearance if needed. |
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"Nils Rostedt" wrote Slightly OT: Is there a difference between the meaning of "clear to land" between US and Europe? Although I do not remember the specifics, the answer is yes, from what other people have said in this forum. -- Jim in NC |
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Nils Rostedt wrote: Slightly OT: Is there a difference between the meaning of "clear to land" between US and Europe? The reason I ask is because while watching the traffic flow at FLL, I got the impression landing clearance for airplane X was given even though there were still other planes ahead, as soon as ATC is sure the separation is big enough for safety. In contrast, up here ATC gives the landing clearance only when the previous plane has actually vacated the runway. Your understanding of the way it works in the US is correct. ATC can issue the landing clearance on the expectation that the runway will be free when you get there. I've been "number 12, cleared to land" at Palo Alto (KPAO), and on a different day, heard someone else get "number 15, cleared to land". When I was number 12, only one plane before me had to go around for traffic on the runway, which isn't bad at all. John -- John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/ |
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"Nils Rostedt" wrote in message . fi... Slightly OT: Is there a difference between the meaning of "clear to land" between US and Europe? The reason I ask is because while watching the traffic flow at FLL, I got the impression landing clearance for airplane X was given even though there were still other planes ahead, as soon as ATC is sure the separation is big enough for safety. In contrast, up here ATC gives the landing clearance only when the previous plane has actually vacated the runway. I don't know about Europe, in the US landing clearance to succeeding aircraft in a landing sequence need not be withheld if the controller observes the positions of the aircraft and determines that prescribed runway separation will exist when the aircraft cross the landing threshold. |
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"JB" wrote in message ups.com... On Mar 5, 3:37 pm, "Gene Seibel" wrote: On Mar 5, 2:17 pm, "buttman" wrote: What does it mean when a controller says "Cleared for landing full length", or "cleared for takeoff full length"? I've heard it, but it was sort of tongue in cheek. Like: "If able, turn left at the end..." Al G |
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On Mar 5, 2:17 pm, "buttman" wrote:
What does it mean when a controller says "Cleared for landing full length", I take it as acknowledgement and explicit permission to land long to avoid wake turbulence, possibly needed and well adviced when they sandwich your spam can between two heavies. |
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