Defence plan to scrap F-111s

"Defender in Tas" wrote in message
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That was harsh Mr Acrobat, very harsh. Although you did I "may" not
know much on the subject, which at least tones down your comment.

You have demonstrated a serious lack of subject knowledge.

Where exactly?



As for your comments Brash, it might be worth remembering that at
some point in time if you were an infantry soldier you may be grateful
for that gate guard and his campaign to save the F-111.


I was in the infantry and the gate guard is an amusement, nothing more.

I don't wish to defend him because he has been a little less than
polite to me, but I happen to think the role of the airfield defence
guards is a very important one. I know one who served in East Timor
and I wouldn't describe his service as being of less value than anyone
else's.


The F-111 has a strategic role, not a CAS role.


I never said it did. Although even the B-52 has been used to drop
bombs on enemy targets close to friendly forces.

Something the Private (Rtd) obviously doesn't know about. Grunts (especially
Privates) are even more removed from being airpower experts than interested
civilians because they already think they know everything about everything
and therefore don't need to learn.

And you're correct about B52s being used for CAirS. In Afghanistan the
phrase "loitering bombardment" was coined when B52s were kept on-station
over Afghanistan with AAR and ready to drop ordnance on-call by forward
controllers operating with SF and infantry forces. The BUFF would stay there
until it ran out of bombs or crew hours before being replaced by another.


I'm thinking
that, say, in 2008, you might be sitting there in a comfortable
fortified position on the East Timor border pleasantly interacting
with hundreds of Indonesian soldiers who have come to holiday,

I'm ex Army - the Indons in question have a lot further to go before
they
find me.

Well, I said you "might". Could always rejoin my boy.

Naah, he's too fat and stupid.



--
De Oppresso Liber.

"L'acrobat" wrote in message
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"Defender in Tas" wrote in message
m...
That was harsh Mr Acrobat, very harsh. Although you did I "may" not
know much on the subject, which at least tones down your comment.

You have demonstrated a serious lack of subject knowledge.

Where exactly?


In almost all of your posts, it has been pointed out to you repeatedly.



As for your comments Brash, it might be worth remembering that
at
some point in time if you were an infantry soldier you may be
grateful
for that gate guard and his campaign to save the F-111.


I was in the infantry and the gate guard is an amusement, nothing
more.

I don't wish to defend him because he has been a little less than
polite to me, but I happen to think the role of the airfield defence
guards is a very important one. I know one who served in East Timor
and I wouldn't describe his service as being of less value than anyone
else's.

Serving as guard to an airfield is of less importance than that of the
troops on active combat ops.

Typical comment would expect from a dumb grunt with a head full of the usual
khaki ****.

Question to you Private (Rtd), if its securing airpower is so unimportant,
why is so much effort (airstrikes, missile attacks, special forces action)
put into destroying airpower?

That you think ADGs only do airfields is further proof of what a clueless
****-for-brains you are.

'They also serve, those who stand at gate', but lets not pretend it's up
there with the real troops out in the J.

Real troops? What a ******. Can't say I'm surprised though.


I'm thinking
that, say, in 2008, you might be sitting there in a comfortable
fortified position on the East Timor border pleasantly interacting
with hundreds of Indonesian soldiers who have come to holiday,

I'm ex Army - the Indons in question have a lot further to go before
they
find me.

Well, I said you "might". Could always rejoin my boy.

Nope.




and you
will thank your lucky stars to know that thousands of kilometres
away
at RAAF Amberley gate guards are keeping the militant media at bay
while venerable F-111s launch a steady and impressive rate of 8, or
even maybe twice that many, sorties a day, carrying a couple of
guided
bombs, external fuel tanks and maybe an AAM or two, to drop on
pretty
buildings in Jakarta. And the worst of it is that those dedicated
gate
guards will have to keep the increasingly pestilent media away from
the surviving F-111s until you and your army friends - helped out by
some Hornets flying out of Tindal, the navy, and probably a USN
carrier group - have been able to convince East Timor's uninvited
guests to leave or until you leave. Now aren't you glad we have him
here to tell us how to wage war with the F-111?

Nope.

Ok I know sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but surely it's not that
hard to recognise it when you see it?

In text form it can be very hard to spot.

Especially when you never finished Yr 6.

--
De Oppresso Liber.

I see you're starting to flounder Private (Rtd). You should have learned
from the previous floggings I've given you.

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"JD" wrote in message
news:Jug_a.31220$bo1.12853@news-
Great idea, it will **** away a small fortune in moving troops to
and
from PTS at Nowra and flying Hercs up to Amberley to pick up
troops
for Para continuation, exercises and so on.

For ****s sake, move them too.


So are you just going to flush millions for no reason or do you have a
plan?

Goes to show how far out of it you are General. Or is Private (Rtd)?


Yawn

Right on target, am I?

Didn't need to be psychic to work you out. Dumb****.




So far you have moved an Inf Bn, Parachute training School, the RAAF
Herc/Caribou Sqns,

Caribous are already there you cabbage. Hercs are planned to go there
too.


Still dull

But factual, nonetheless. I realise the cavity in your head is too small to
accommodate new learning. They didn't call you "thickhead" for nothing did
they? The dumbest Private with the thickest skull to ever retire from the
Army.

You'd be out of your depth in a car park puddle and trying to match wits
with an amoeba.


the Army AD unit, all their supporting elements, maint
etc to Amberley. why? what do you think it will achieve?

Economy of effort.


Is there room for all these units there?

Obviously you've never been there. There's ****-loads.

Not in some time, but then I don't have to guard the gate.

Neither do I. They have civilians for that.

You could apply for job there but I doubt you'd pass the selection test.

Q1. The "up" arrow makes the boom go.........?



Where is the nearest DZ to Amberley
for PTS?

On the ****ing Base you dickhead. About 200 metres west of the Caribou
flight-line for one. About a kilometre further west for an even bigger,
more
isolated DZ. Clearly, you're a clueless ex-grunt. Dumb****.



So will F-111 ops be suspended for the duration of Para courses?

They weren't previously moron.


I realise you are not very bright, but there is a reason that PTS is not
at
a very active airfield.

I didn't realise Learjets and A4's screaming around with Sea Kings and
Seahawks buzzing to and fro constituted a "not very active airfield".
Obviously you never saw Williamtown in full swing when PTS was operating
there alongside a couple of Mirage or Hornet squadrons.
But why would you?
You were only ever a dumb**** Infantry Private with delusions of mediocrity.


3RAR is in Holsworthy because it is convenient to RAAF Richmond
and
PTS.

Close Richmond, and move PTS. How hard is it?

Politically difficult, financially insane, but keep going.

Yet its planned anyway. I guess the Mandarins at the Dept of Defence
should
have consulted with Private Acrobat (Rtd) before making these decisions.

From the gate guard, lol!, now where is the parking, boy?

Thanks for validating my statement about your inability to learn.

--
De Oppresso Liber.

"L'acrobat" wrote in message
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"Brash" wrote in message
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Only you believe that gate guard, only you.

'Defender in Tas' may not know much on the subject,but at least he
isn't
a
gate guard (in a service only slightly less military than Telstra)
with
delusions of grandeur.

To you 'Defender in Tas', 'Brash' is an Airfield Defence Guard in the
RAAF,
the lowest of the low, they can't hack the hard yards in the Army and
aren't
smart enough to find a better job in the RAAF - but he is a laugh with
his
self important nonsense.

Hello cock-sucker. Back for another thrashing?


Yawn, what a dullard you are.

Thought you were.



I see you still haven't improved your knowledge of.....................
anything.

No "gates" in Baghdad, and yet........................


Wake me up when your wank fest is over.

Thanks for proving my statement that you're too stupid to assimilate new
information.
For those who are interested in doing what you can't, learning something
new...............

http://www.defence.gov.au/opfalconer/gallery.htm

On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:02:24 +1000, "Brash"
wrote:

Obviously you never saw Williamtown in full swing when PTS was operating
there alongside a couple of Mirage or Hornet squadrons.

Maybe he didn't - but neither did you.

I did - and the DZ was NOT on the airfield.

But why would you?
You were only ever a dumb**** Infantry Private with delusions of mediocrity.

Mediocrity? - last time I heard you were still hunting away kids and
bumping your head under ice cream vans in a vain search for those
Weapons of Mass Delusion which suckered you right in - yes sireee.

I was sure it must have been you in your desperation that they found
laying still and cold beside a Mr Whippy covered in chopped nuts and
chocolate sprinkles - "Greensleeves" still playing mournfully.

Topped himself they said - but bugger it here you are again - no sense
no reason as always.

In article , Paul Saccani
writes
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 05:07:35 GMT, "JB" wrote:

The Hawk 127 is primarily a trainer, with a secondary ground attack
role.

Its a "Lead In Fighter" ****tard. The PC9 is a "trainer".

Sorry, but a 'Lead in Fighter' is still a trainer. Perhaps a more advanced
one, and it may have some secondary capabilities, but it's still a
trainer....

Funny that a number of air forces, including the RAF, have seen fit to use them
in the fighter and strike roles. Not the same model, of course, because ours
are set up to mimic the F-18 cockpit, but near enough. Besides the FAC role,
the PC-9 really is a trainer.

The Hawk was not developed as trainer, but does have a secondary capability in
that role....

The people at Hawker Siddeley Aviation developed the Hawk as a trainer
with a secondary strike role, not the other way round. It was envisaged
as a replacement for the Gnat and Hunter trainers. The P1182 project won
the competition for the RAF's new advanced jet trainer.

Of course, that is the role that we assign them, but it is
analogous to the Folland Gnat in that regard. They seem to have seen a lot
more combat than their supposed "trainer" status would suggest.
cheers,

Paul Saccani
Perth West Australia

--
Peter

Ying tong iddle-i po!

"Brash" wrote in message
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"L'acrobat" wrote in message
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"Defender in Tas" wrote in message
m...
That was harsh Mr Acrobat, very harsh. Although you did I "may"
not
know much on the subject, which at least tones down your comment.

You have demonstrated a serious lack of subject knowledge.

Where exactly?


In almost all of your posts, it has been pointed out to you repeatedly.



As for your comments Brash, it might be worth remembering that
at
some point in time if you were an infantry soldier you may be
grateful
for that gate guard and his campaign to save the F-111.


I was in the infantry and the gate guard is an amusement, nothing
more.

I don't wish to defend him because he has been a little less than
polite to me, but I happen to think the role of the airfield defence
guards is a very important one. I know one who served in East Timor
and I wouldn't describe his service as being of less value than anyone
else's.

Serving as guard to an airfield is of less importance than that of the
troops on active combat ops.

Typical comment would expect from a dumb grunt with a head full of the
usual
khaki ****.

Question to you Private (Rtd), if its securing airpower is so unimportant,
why is so much effort (airstrikes, missile attacks, special forces action)
put into destroying airpower?

That you think ADGs only do airfields is further proof of what a clueless
****-for-brains you are.



Poor gate guard, it must suck knowing you are second rate.

"Brash" wrote in message
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"L'acrobat" wrote in message
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"Brash" wrote in message
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Only you believe that gate guard, only you.

'Defender in Tas' may not know much on the subject,but at least he
isn't
a
gate guard (in a service only slightly less military than Telstra)
with
delusions of grandeur.

To you 'Defender in Tas', 'Brash' is an Airfield Defence Guard in
the
RAAF,
the lowest of the low, they can't hack the hard yards in the Army
and
aren't
smart enough to find a better job in the RAAF - but he is a laugh
with
his
self important nonsense.

Hello cock-sucker. Back for another thrashing?


Yawn, what a dullard you are.

Thought you were.

Poor gate guard, it must suck knowing you are second rate.

"Brash" wrote in message
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I see you're starting to flounder Private (Rtd). You should have learned
from the previous floggings I've given you.

You are a sad loser with delusions of grandeur.

Back to the gate.

"Brash" wrote in message
u...

I didn't realise Learjets and A4's screaming around with Sea Kings and
Seahawks buzzing to and fro constituted a "not very active airfield".
Obviously you never saw Williamtown in full swing when PTS was operating
there alongside a couple of Mirage or Hornet squadrons.
But why would you?
You were only ever a dumb**** Infantry Private with delusions of
mediocrity.

Flailing about pretty badly here Brash.

Salt Ash was the primary PTS Williamtown DZ, not the airfield.

Was it that hard to tell from your position at the gate?

Perhaps if you had a clue?

It must suck knowing that the RAAF holds you in contempt and the army
doesn't even notice losers like yourself.