Tiger moth loses power on t/o, augers into a tree, none hurt.

http://www.courant.com/community/new...,5972072.story

Anyone know -- what speed does a T/M stall at? My guess is pretty slow,
say 30 kts.

This is exactly how I envision a crash into trees "ought to" happen, if
its gotta happen, in a slow-stalling speed craft, say a single Cessna.
Just a little luck, a little help from the wind, full flaps if you got
em, and controlled flight as slow as possible into the treetops...


T

Tman x@x wrote in :

http://www.courant.com/community/new....artsep01,0,59
72072.story

Anyone know -- what speed does a T/M stall at? My guess is pretty
slow, say 30 kts.


About 38 Knots.

This is exactly how I envision a crash into trees "ought to" happen,
if its gotta happen, in a slow-stalling speed craft, say a single
Cessna. Just a little luck, a little help from the wind, full flaps if
you got em, and controlled flight as slow as possible into the
treetops...


ouch. Poor thing. Looks like it will live to fight another day, though.

They don't have much in the way of carb heat. Icing is very common problem
with a Gypsy.



Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Tman x@x wrote in :

http://www.courant.com/community/new....artsep01,0,59
72072.story

Anyone know -- what speed does a T/M stall at? My guess is pretty
slow, say 30 kts.


About 38 Knots.

This is exactly how I envision a crash into trees "ought to" happen,
if its gotta happen, in a slow-stalling speed craft, say a single
Cessna. Just a little luck, a little help from the wind, full flaps if
you got em, and controlled flight as slow as possible into the
treetops...


ouch. Poor thing. Looks like it will live to fight another day, though.

They don't have much in the way of carb heat. Icing is very common problem
with a Gypsy.



Bertie

Isn't Google nice, shame you never post the link.

Now come back and lie about it. Tell us how you already knew and never have
to use Google.

On Sep 1, 7:49 am, "Zebulon" @###@.^net wrote:
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in 8.18...


They don't have much in the way of carb heat. Icing is very common problem
with a Gypsy.

Bertie

Isn't Google nice, shame you never post the link.

Now come back and lie about it. Tell us how you already knew and never have
to use Google.

Be hard to find that on Google, I think. I owned an Auster
with Gipsy, and it quit on me when it iced up. The Auster's setup had
automatic carb heat, and I suspect the Tiger Moth uses the same thing.
The heat comes on as the power is reduced through about half throttle,
since it's linked to the throttle instead of being separate, and so if
the dewpoint is high enough carb ice is likely. Further, the heat is
marginal; it's taken from up against the side of the crankcase, which
may or may not be very warm. It doesn't come off the exhaust like most
NA aircraft. Ice at full throttle is therefore very possible.
http://www.johnjohn.co.uk/compare-ti...ipsy_major.jpg
You can see that big round thing in the middle of the picture? The
carb heat pickup, and linkages are visible around the heat valve,
connected to the throttle on the carb below the valve.

Dan

wrote in message
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Be hard to find that on Google, I think. I owned an Auster
with Gipsy, and it quit on me when it iced up. The Auster's setup had
automatic carb heat, and I suspect the Tiger Moth uses the same thing.
The heat comes on as the power is reduced through about half throttle,
since it's linked to the throttle instead of being separate, and so if
the dewpoint is high enough carb ice is likely. Further, the heat is
marginal; it's taken from up against the side of the crankcase, which
may or may not be very warm. It doesn't come off the exhaust like most
NA aircraft. Ice at full throttle is therefore very possible.

http://www.johnjohn.co.uk/compare-ti...ipsy_major.jpg
You can see that big round thing in the middle of the picture? The
carb heat pickup, and linkages are visible around the heat valve,
connected to the throttle on the carb below the valve.

Dan


Carb heat had nothing to do with it, the question was stall speed.

By the way, since when did you take Bertie to raise?

"Zebulon" @###@.^net wrote in news

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Tman x@x wrote in
:

http://www.courant.com/community/news/en/hc-
ewinplane0901.artsep01,0,
59 72072.story

Anyone know -- what speed does a T/M stall at? My guess is pretty
slow, say 30 kts.


About 38 Knots.

This is exactly how I envision a crash into trees "ought to" happen,
if its gotta happen, in a slow-stalling speed craft, say a single
Cessna. Just a little luck, a little help from the wind, full flaps
if you got em, and controlled flight as slow as possible into the
treetops...


ouch. Poor thing. Looks like it will live to fight another day,
though.

They don't have much in the way of carb heat. Icing is very common
problem with a Gypsy.



Bertie

Isn't Google nice, shame you never post the link.



Didn't have to. I've flown Tiger Moths.

Now come back and lie about it. Tell us how you already knew and never
have to use Google.



Bwawhahwhahwhahwh!



Bertie

wrote in
:

On Sep 1, 7:49 am, "Zebulon" @###@.^net wrote:
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in
8.18...


They don't have much in the way of carb heat. Icing is very common
problem with a Gypsy.

Bertie

Isn't Google nice, shame you never post the link.

Now come back and lie about it. Tell us how you already knew and
never have to use Google.

Be hard to find that on Google, I think. I owned an Auster
with Gipsy, and it quit on me when it iced up. The Auster's setup had
automatic carb heat, and I suspect the Tiger Moth uses the same thing.
The heat comes on as the power is reduced through about half throttle,
since it's linked to the throttle instead of being separate, and so if
the dewpoint is high enough carb ice is likely. Further, the heat is
marginal; it's taken from up against the side of the crankcase, which
may or may not be very warm. It doesn't come off the exhaust like most
NA aircraft. Ice at full throttle is therefore very possible.
http://www.johnjohn.co.uk/compare-
tigermothflights/img/gipsy_maj
or.jpg
You can see that big round thing in the middle of the picture? The
carb heat pickup, and linkages are visible around the heat valve,
connected to the throttle on the carb below the valve.


Yeah, it never happened to me, but I was warned about it.

"Don't dawdle around at low revs"

Bertie

"Zebulon" @###@.^net wrote in :


wrote in message
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Be hard to find that on Google, I think. I owned an Auster
with Gipsy, and it quit on me when it iced up. The Auster's setup had
automatic carb heat, and I suspect the Tiger Moth uses the same thing.
The heat comes on as the power is reduced through about half throttle,
since it's linked to the throttle instead of being separate, and so if
the dewpoint is high enough carb ice is likely. Further, the heat is
marginal; it's taken from up against the side of the crankcase, which
may or may not be very warm. It doesn't come off the exhaust like most
NA aircraft. Ice at full throttle is therefore very possible.

http://www.johnjohn.co.uk/compare-ti...ipsy_major.jpg
You can see that big round thing in the middle of the picture? The
carb heat pickup, and linkages are visible around the heat valve,
connected to the throttle on the carb below the valve.

Dan


Carb heat had nothing to do with it, the question was stall speed.


Wow! New heights of idiocy!

By the way, since when did you take Bertie to raise?



Evidentally the same time as you, whatever that means, k00kie boi.


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Didn't have to. I've flown Tiger Moths.


Ya lie about everything else, why stop now.

"jeremy" wrote in message
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According to the article the TM has two "layers" of wings :-)

A rare example of a reporter actually getting something basically right, in
spite of an apparent profound ignorance of aviation and its vocabulary.


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