Could training at a towered airport have prevented the ADIZ bust

"H.P." wrote in message
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If anything will bust someone's ticket, it'll be that the student was
carrying a passenger. Or was the PPL the PIC?

Well, yea.

I must say, the sight of one sitting on the ground cuffed while the other
was cuffed prone, flat on the runway made me sick and angry. It was
unnecessary.

It was very necessary. You know what they did. How were the law
enforcement people to know what these guys intentions were? They must
assume the worst until evidence proves otherwise.

I wonder if they knew the radio was out, or maybe they were distracted
BECAUSE it was out? Squawking 7600 might have helped.
"George Patterson" wrote in message
news:nCAge.1561$1f5.1151@trndny01...
All the talking in the world won't help when the radio's busted. O'Brien's
full
of it.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

Agreed...that he did not imply they were more dangerous, but he did imply
incompetence to handle the ADIZ.


He did not suggest (IMO) in anyway that flying from an uncontrolled airport
makes you more dangerous or less competent.

I don't think anyone has to imply incompetence.

--
Hello, my name is Mike, and I am an airplane addict....

"airman" wrote in message
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Agreed...that he did not imply they were more dangerous, but he did imply
incompetence to handle the ADIZ.

H.P. wrote:
I must say, the sight of one sitting on the ground cuffed while the
other
was cuffed prone, flat on the runway made me sick and angry. It was
unnecessary.

This kind of treatment is routine. If this is the worst case of
unnecessary force used by law enforcement, then we're in really good
shape. (Remember the kidnapping of Elian by the feds, pointing an
assault rifle inches from the boy's face?)

Nobody but nobody believed that this Cessna 150 was a bigger threat than
all of the heavy trucks that were at that very moment driving through
the same no-fly area - and not even being checked to see if they were
loaded with explosives or even worse - spraying biological weapons -
but what a great opportunity to host an exercise, justify the cost, and
reassure the American people that their security forces are on the ball
and ahead of the game.

The two dumb schmucks who were arrested? A cheap price to pay.
I just hope that they get their plane back.

Propaganda - with a capital P!

Tony
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"airman" wrote:

The CNN pilot-reporter, Miles O'Brien, made a good point. These guys took
off from an uncontrolled airfield, implying that they were not adept with
ordinary ATC as would pilots be who were trained or who are resident at a
Class D or C towered field. I remember how difficult it was to train at a
Class D airport, wishing that I could have made my early training hours
easier at an un-towered field. Now I'm grateful for all the angst and
mike-fright I went through and eventually overcame.




--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

Dave Stadt wrote:
"airman" wrote in message
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The CNN pilot-reporter, Miles O'Brien, made a good point. These guys took
off from an uncontrolled airfield, implying that they were not adept with
ordinary ATC as would pilots be who were trained or who are resident at a
Class D or C towered field.
That's absolute bull crap. I fly out of an uncontrolled airport as do
probably 100 or more airline and other professional pilots pilots. Are they
not adept at talking to ATC because they fly out of an uncontrolled airport?
That's got to be one of the dumbest statements ever. But then leave it to
CNN.

it isn't a bunch of crap. I've heard many many people here on usenet
asking about flying into the LA area, SFO area, etc. because the
last time they dealt with ATC was when they had to do 3 t/o and landings
at a controlled airport for their private. Of course they are not
comfortable talking to ATC especially if they don't have their
instrument. As for me, I fly out of SQL right underneath
the approach into SFO (pattern level is 800 and SFO ILS practically
over the pattern at 1800). As a student pilot on my long XC, I went
through SFO bravo and were talking to SFO Tower. No big deal. For
others with only have talked semi-casually on a CTAF it could be
completely new.

Gerald

airman wrote:
The CNN pilot-reporter, Miles O'Brien, made a good point. These guys took
off from an uncontrolled airfield, \

Smoketown is almost inside LNS's class D airspace. I've been into LNS
a dozen times for maintenance. I learned to fly at a similar towered
field. Learning class B procedures was a completely different thing.
The ADIZ is unlike anything else. It's not an air traffic concept.
ATC isn't tasked with facilitating or enforcing it, just issuing the
squawk codes. ATC doesn't even know if you've really filed an ADIZ
plan or not. If they don't get an IFR strip on you (which is how
ADIZ plans get to controllers), and you assert that you did file one,
they will (as time permits) manually allocate you a squawk code.
They were emphatic in local pilot meetings that they are not the
flight plan police.

Flying in the DC area with several P-areas, and a rather busy class B
has never been for the faint of heart. Situational awareness is
the key.

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"Dave Stadt" wrote:
That's absolute bull crap. I fly out of an uncontrolled airport as do
probably 100 or more airline and other professional pilots pilots. Are they
not adept at talking to ATC because they fly out of an uncontrolled airport?
That's got to be one of the dumbest statements ever. But then leave it to
CNN.

More alarming to me was his repeated emphasis and overuse of the term
"uncontrolled," followed by his emphasis on the fact that there are all
of these little airplanes flying around every day and no one knows what
they're doing or where they're going. While that's all true, a veteran
pilot could have used better discretion while describing these concepts
so as not to further alarm the public.


JKG

In article ,
"Dave Stadt" wrote:
That's absolute bull crap. I fly out of an uncontrolled airport as do
probably 100 or more airline and other professional pilots pilots. Are they
not adept at talking to ATC because they fly out of an uncontrolled airport?
That's got to be one of the dumbest statements ever. But then leave it to
CNN.

If you fly from an uncontrolled field and aren't an instrument pilot,
there is a good chance that you very rarely, if ever, talk to anyone on
the radio.



JKG