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Something nobody has mentioned is that you can still buy a perfectly legal
set of Eracer plans (2 seater side by side version of the Long) from Shirl Dickey for $150 or $250 http://www.eracer.org/eracer.html (can't find the letter from him anymore. Just send him an email.) Not many were built and they were more complex due to the retract gear, but there is no reason why someone wanting to build a canard couldn't simplify it a bit with a classic "Long" undercarriage. There were 2 versions, the original with converted V8 and another with a conventional aircraft engine. It used more modern materials than the original Long, with a lot of PVC foam and S-glass in the structure. Shirl Dickey Enterprises P.O. Box 828 Aguila, AZ 85320 (520)685-3148 email: regards Keith "karel adams" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... That's a bunch of worthwhile info, Rick! Thanks! KA |
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"Keith Olivier" wrote in message
... Something nobody has mentioned is that you can still buy a perfectly legal set of Eracer plans (2 seater side by side version of the Long) from Shirl Dickey for $150 or $250 http://www.eracer.org/eracer.html (can't find the letter from him anymore. Just send him an email.) Not many were built and they were more complex due to the retract gear, but there is no reason why someone wanting to build a canard couldn't simplify it a bit with a classic "Long" undercarriage. There were 2 versions, the original with converted V8 and another with a conventional aircraft engine. It used more modern materials than the original Long, with a lot of PVC foam and S-glass in the structure. Shirl Dickey Enterprises P.O. Box 828 Aguila, AZ 85320 (520)685-3148 email: regards Keith "karel adams" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... That's a bunch of worthwhile info, Rick! Thanks! KA I have a set of E-Racer plans and I have flown the prototype with Shirl. It is an awesome airplane. I would not attempt to build an E-Racer without having a copy of the Long-EZ plans around though. There are a lot of little details and how-to's on the Long-EZ plans that are directly applicable to the E-Racer. Rick |
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Ron Wanttaja wrote in message . ..
On 22 Aug 2003 01:23:42 -0700, (Corrie) wrote: One of the biggest ironies I see in homebuilding are people who are willing to spend $10,000 or more to build a plane like a Pietenpol, but want to start by ripping-off the plans vendor for the $50-$100 for the building instructions. An excellent point. I have my hopes that some day the Fly Baby will end up public domain. Still, it does lend itself to some problems. People insist on badly thought-out modifications, and you'd probably end up with plans sets being passed around where folks have proudly incorporated their own changes but unsuspecting builders might think are original. Obviously, an awkward situation. Unless the family continues to re-register them (as I believe the Pietenpols have done) Bower's plans will pass into the public domain under US copyright law in April 2073. We'll all have flown west by then, I suspect. One thought was, if the plans went public domain, that they could be distributed by an official source via web site or CD-ROM. A couple of the guys on the Fly Baby Yahoo list have experimented with digitizing the plans. One has run an OCR of the complete plans, but the drawings are still problematical. Many are full-scale templates, but of course, by the time the drawings are scanned, converted to JPEGs or GIFs, saved in a document, and printed from a random computer, the scales have shifted just enough to make the templates erroneous. Although, after 40 years of photocopying, the templates are a bit off, anyway.... One niggling problem of the all-electronic approach is that there are still folks out there who don't mess with computers. They'll want hard-copy plans, so you're still stuck with dragging a master copy to Kinkos every once in a while. If you're going to actually build the thing, you have to have a hard copy at some point. Of course, maybe by 2073 we'll be able to just call up the plans on our replicators and select "Fabricate" from the File menu... That'd take a lot of the fun out of it. |
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"Whatever" wrote in message
... OK. I have a set of drawings for the Dyke Delta JD2. I did not buy these plans, they were handed to me after the purchaser died. Since I have no contract with the designer, are you saying that I am free to copy and sell as many prints as I feel like? Scott McQ In this case, a little known safeguard, the "XP" catch takes effect. Unless you register those plans with Micr. . . er. . . the designer within 30 days, they will send a bit packet to Redmond, WA and will become unusable. All data will be lost. Rich S. |
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In article , Richard Lamb
writes: Excuse me for being stupid, but why keeps a person from selling a set of plans they bought and built with? Fred Honesty? Gee, that seems to be a very outdated concept in today's society. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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In article , "Keith Olivier"
writes: Something nobody has mentioned is that you can still buy a perfectly legal set of Eracer plans (2 seater side by side version of the Long) from Shirl Dickey for $150 or $250 http://www.eracer.org/eracer.html (can't find the letter from him anymore. Just send him an email.) Not many were built and they were more complex due to the retract gear, but there is no reason why someone wanting to build a canard couldn't simplify it a bit with a classic "Long" undercarriage. There were 2 versions, the original with converted V8 and another with a conventional aircraft engine. It used more modern materials than the original Long, with a lot of PVC foam and S-glass in the structure. Shirl Dickey Enterprises P.O. Box 828 Aguila, AZ 85320 (520)685-3148 email: regards Keith I think the point is that some people don't want to pay anything for the plans. As Ron mentioned, they will pay thousands to build their plane but refuse to pay a few hundred for the plans. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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In article , Todd Pattist
writes: Excuse me for being stupid, but why keeps a person from selling a set of plans they bought and built with? The plans and/or the signed contract restrict you to building *one* copy from the plans. To do otherwise violates the agreement between the plans purchaser and the designer/owner/... So the designer/owner could sue the original plans purchaser if the original plans purchaser built two planes. The second purchaser didn't make any such agreement and can't be sued unless the plans/design are protected by intellectual property laws in some other way (patent being the obvious one). The intellectual property laws not only work to protect intellectual property (for the constitutional "limited times"), they work to make sure it is possible to copy those things that are not protected in compliance with law. The right to copy unprotected work ensures that we can enjoy the fruits of progress and is as strong as the prohibition on copying protected work. Typically, contracts are used to protect otherwise unprotectable work. If the design is not protected against copying by IP laws, the contract would have to specify not only that the original purchaser can't build two, but that he can't sell the plans. Does it include stuff like that? Anyone have any actual language in e-format they can post? Todd Pattist You might try reading the full details of most software contracts to get an idea. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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The folks that don't want to mess with computers or the hassel of
getting large format prints can pay someone for that service. The real value is the support you get from the original designer. Being able to call up a human being and say "Hey Ron, that bracket is way to weak to support that load, what am I missing." The plan author can verify ownership before he spends his time answering questions. I'd venture to agree that the reason that the Long EZ plans are no longer available was the free support cost too much and unlimited liability provided once again by our lawyers and gullable public. Ron Wanttaja wrote in message . .. On 22 Aug 2003 01:23:42 -0700, (Corrie) wrote: For all the jawing about "information should be free" - and there is in fact a TON of taxpayer-funded (nothing's free) aeronautical information available for the downloading from NASA and the dot-gov sites, including AC 43 and the AIM/FAR - there doesn't seem to be a single "open source" airplane design. The closest are arguably the Pietenpol Air Camper, Evans VP-1, and Bowers FlyBaby, but the plans aren't *free.* Very reasonably priced, but *not* free. One of the biggest ironies I see in homebuilding are people who are willing to spend $10,000 or more to build a plane like a Pietenpol, but want to start by ripping-off the plans vendor for the $50-$100 for the building instructions. I have my hopes that some day the Fly Baby will end up public domain. Still, it does lend itself to some problems. People insist on badly thought-out modifications, and you'd probably end up with plans sets being passed around where folks have proudly incorporated their own changes but unsuspecting builders might think are original. Obviously, an awkward situation. One thought was, if the plans went public domain, that they could be distributed by an official source via web site or CD-ROM. A couple of the guys on the Fly Baby Yahoo list have experimented with digitizing the plans. One has run an OCR of the complete plans, but the drawings are still problematical. Many are full-scale templates, but of course, by the time the drawings are scanned, converted to JPEGs or GIFs, saved in a document, and printed from a random computer, the scales have shifted just enough to make the templates erroneous. Although, after 40 years of photocopying, the templates are a bit off, anyway.... One niggling problem of the all-electronic approach is that there are still folks out there who don't mess with computers. They'll want hard-copy plans, so you're still stuck with dragging a master copy to Kinkos every once in a while. Ron Wanttaja |
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