Jep p or NACO Charts?

In article ,
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

In a previous article, Roy Smith said:
[Howie Keefe Airchart Systems]
If I understand it correctly, you get a new SIAP book once a year, and
every 2 weeks get a cumulative list of updates to that book. What
happens if halfway through the year, your book is so beat up that you
need to buy a new one? The updates sheet you're getting is now relative
to an issue of the book other than the one you're using. How does that
work out?

Well, if the update says "change the MDA to 2450" and the MDA is already
2450, then you don't need to do the update, do you?

Is that how the updates work? If they're all like that, then it's
obvious it should not be an issue. But are there things like "procedure
redesigned, get new plate". With something like that, I would have no
way of knowing if the plate I was looking at was the old or the new
version. Or in a case like that, would it say "version xxxxx obsolete,
replaced by version yyyyy" and I'd just have to verify I had the right
version plate?

In a previous article, Roy Smith said:
In article ,
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:
In a previous article, Roy Smith said:
[Howie Keefe Airchart Systems]
need to buy a new one? The updates sheet you're getting is now relative
to an issue of the book other than the one you're using. How does that
work out?

Well, if the update says "change the MDA to 2450" and the MDA is already
2450, then you don't need to do the update, do you?

Is that how the updates work? If they're all like that, then it's

Sometimes. Sometimes the changes are so drastic that they tell you to
download and print out a new plate from their web site.

redesigned, get new plate". With something like that, I would have no
way of knowing if the plate I was looking at was the old or the new
version. Or in a case like that, would it say "version xxxxx obsolete,

And if you were to download and print out a plate that's identical to the
one that's already in your book, where's the harm?


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
A male pilot is a confused soul who talks about women when he's flying,
and about flying when he's with a woman.

I just got a notice from NGA that they intend to (on Oct 1, 2005)
discontinue disseminating DOD aeronautical information to the public. If
that means what it sounds like it does, then it looks like we may all be
using Jepp data. See the link below in the Federal Register.

http://www.naco.faa.gov/content/naco...R-04-25631.pdf
and
http://www.naco.faa.gov/content/naco...ont_Notice.pdf

Sounds Bad to me

Mark Manes



"Doug" wrote in message
om...
The www.airchart.com, Howie Keefe system works fine and is a LOT less
expensive. You can get a year of the whole 48 states for $360 or so,
and areas like the NE for $60. This includes (text) updates, but it
works. I am not affilated with aircharts at all, but I have used them
and I can tell you they work.

Their VFR and IFR Atlases are really good too.

Mark Manes wrote:
I just got a notice from NGA that they intend to (on Oct 1, 2005)
discontinue disseminating DOD aeronautical information to the public.
If that means what it sounds like it does, then it looks like we may
all be using Jepp data. See the link below in the Federal Register.

http://www.naco.faa.gov/content/naco...R-04-25631.pdf
and
http://www.naco.faa.gov/content/naco...ont_Notice.pdf

It sounds bad if you're a consumer of DAFIF or FLIP data, but I don't see
where this has anything to do with the availability of NACO plates (forcing
us to Jepp).

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415
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On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:51:41 -0500, "John T" wrote:

Mark Manes wrote:
I just got a notice from NGA that they intend to (on Oct 1, 2005)
discontinue disseminating DOD aeronautical information to the public.
If that means what it sounds like it does, then it looks like we may
all be using Jepp data. See the link below in the Federal Register.

http://www.naco.faa.gov/content/naco...R-04-25631.pdf
and
http://www.naco.faa.gov/content/naco...ont_Notice.pdf

It sounds bad if you're a consumer of DAFIF or FLIP data, but I don't see
where this has anything to do with the availability of NACO plates (forcing
us to Jepp).

Does this mean that the ability to download PDF images of charts will
no longer be available?

Just what exactly is the DAFIF anyway?

(The way I read this, this is another argument for NOS vs Jepp, since
Jepp publishes military plates, I believe, and NOS does not. Sounds
like Jepp no longer will be able to. Correct me if I am wrong here,
please.)

In a previous article, said:
Does this mean that the ability to download PDF images of charts will
no longer be available?

No, it means nothing of the sort.

Just what exactly is the DAFIF anyway?

DAFIF is the Digital Aeronautical Flight Information File. Basically,
it's a set of digital files including information about airports, navaids,
special use airspace and other information for the entire world, mantained
by the National Imagery and Mapping Agency (now called the National
Geospatial Intelligence Agency), a division of the US military. Because
their primary focus is the military, they don't include a lot of smaller
airports. For the US, the FAA data CD covers much of the same
information. But for people like me doing free data for flight planning
and GPS users, it was the only source of data for most of the world.

This is going to be a disaster for non-US users of these sorts of
programs. Especially if the government comes along and says that not only
will we not be allowed to get new data, but we're not allowed to use the
old data any more, which I consider highly likely.

--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
When I hear the history of some of the more ugly European cities, with
"... destroyed in 14xx, burnt in 16xx ..." I get the urge to ask why
they keep rebuilding it and if they can't get the hint.

With something like that, I would have no
way of knowing if the plate I was looking at was the old or the new
version.

Very easy. Bottom left hand corner has the Revision number for major revisions
and a Julian date that is bumped for minor revisions. So download or view
online any plates you're wondering about and print 'em if there is a change.