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"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
news From the Air Traffic Control Handbook: "2-4-20. AIRCRAFT IDENTIFICATION Use the full identification in reply to aircraft with similar sounding identifications. For other aircraft, the same identification may be used in reply that the pilot used in his/her initial callup except use the correct identification after communications have been established. Identify aircraft as follows: a. U.S. registry aircraft. State one of the following: 1. Civil. State the prefix "November" when establishing initial communications with U.S. registered aircraft followed by the ICAO phonetic pronunciation of the numbers/letters of the aircraft registration. The controller may state the aircraft type, the model, the manufacturer's name, followed by the ICAO phonetic pronunciation of the numbers/letters of the aircraft registration if used by the pilot on the initial or subsequent call." From AIM 4-2-4(a)(3): "When the aircraft manufacturer's made or model is stated, the prefix 'N' is dropped." Take your choice. I personally never use November in communicating with ATC. Bob, thanks for the quotes. I had figured it was a gray area. I didn't realize the ATC Handbook specifically states that "November" is to be used on initial call-up--that's good to know. I thought it was as others have guessed which is that the controllers have simply forgotten the type or use "November" in the interest of simplicity. I actually do use "Cherokee" even though the controller refers to me as "November" but it just stikes me as odd or even wrong that in the same conversation we are using two different ways of referring to the same thing. Marco |
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"Marco Leon" wrote in message ... Even if you refer to them as "November xxxxx?" Or do you always try and call them by their aircraft type? If I know their type I call them by their type. I use November only when I don't know their type. |
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"john smith" wrote in message ... You say EXPERIMENTAL. Why? |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
According to the FAA registration database N56993 is assigned to a PA-28-235 manufactured in 1973. That would make it a Cherokee Charger, the PA-28-235 would be renamed Cherokee Pathfinder in 1974. The Dakota came along in 1979 as the PA-28-236 with the tapered wing. To be exceedingly pedantic, N56993 was built and late '73 and belongs to the '74 model year (check the serial number). Piper assigned name designations and features by year model, and the '74 model year was the Pathfinder. The FAA groups aircraft by year of manufacture, while most factories grouped them by model year. John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) -- Message posted via http://www.aviationkb.com |
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On Mar 15, 6:07*pm, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote: "William Hung" wrote in message ... I'm interpretting the above as "it is OK to call on the radio to get permission to enter airspace." I think you should alter your interpretation. *When a radio call is all that is needed for permission to enter airspace the regulations state something like, "Each person must establish two-way radio communications with the ATC facility (including foreign ATC in the case of foreign airspace designated in the United States) providing air traffic services prior to entering that airspace and thereafter maintain those communications while within that airspace." Now, how would I ID myself? *Would what I've stated above suffice? As I said previously, just ask ATC when you call for PRIOR authorization. Thanks Steve, I'll ask ATC next time I'm out at the airport. Wil |
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Ron Wanttaja wrote:
Speaking of myths that should be busted, a lot of folks believe that Experimental Amateur-Built aircraft are supposed to use "Experimental" as a call sign..... Only need to say that word once. |
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