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Consider a slow taxi and not at rest. But I would guess the breaker would
pop first if you're not moving. Or maybe the gear motor burn up before the
gear would give at rest.

--
Regards, BobF.
"buttman" wrote in message
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On Mar 21, 6:08 pm, Dan wrote:
On Mar 21, 5:42 pm, "Bob F." wrote:

Everyone knows the gear can't come up while taxiing anyway, no matter
what
you do with the switches.

You have got to be kidding...?

Or else flying a fixed gear.

Dan Mc

Theres no way the gear can retract while the plane's weight is on the
gear.

Even if the squat switch were to fail, the gear retraction motor is
not going to be powerful enough to bring the gear up from underneath
you.

On 2008-03-22, Bob F. wrote:
This brings to mind a point to remember for you ATP guys in training. The
examiner does not like to see your hand in any position where he has to
wonder what you are about to do. Don't rest your hand on ANY control. If
you are going to exercise it. Move your hand over, do it, then return to
some neutral position. This really is a CRM tactic so that the Pilot Flying
(PF) and Pilot Not Flying (PNF) have no confusion about what's going on.

Does this include not keeping your hand on the throttle during and
immediately after takeoff? Every pilot I know was taught to do this...
--
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http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
http://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!)
Buy Hercules stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390

On Mar 21, 8:13*pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:

I used
"Every good pilot must take off fine check"

and

"Every good pilot must land fine check"


Hey Dudley,

Please elaborate. Thanks.

Wil

On Mar 22, 10:59*am, William Hung wrote:
On Mar 21, 8:13*pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:



I used
"Every good pilot must take off fine check"

and

"Every good pilot must land fine check"

Hey Dudley,

Please elaborate. *Thanks.

Wil

Scratch that Dudley. I just saw yuor reply.

Thanks,
Wil

Hi Jay,

Yes and no. You have to read what I just wrote and keep it in context. Yes
on a small airplane, keep your hand on the throttle during those phases you
mentioned. That's what you are expected to do. If you are holding onto the
throttle in preparation for it's immediate use, that's where it should be.
If your are at cruse and for no reason just rest you hand there, then that's
the wrong thing to do. A good bump could result in an unintentional
throttle setting. You're doing the right thing teaching that way.

--
Regards, BobF.
"Jay Maynard" wrote in message
...
On 2008-03-22, Bob F. wrote:
This brings to mind a point to remember for you ATP guys in training.
The
examiner does not like to see your hand in any position where he has to
wonder what you are about to do. Don't rest your hand on ANY control.
If
you are going to exercise it. Move your hand over, do it, then return to
some neutral position. This really is a CRM tactic so that the Pilot
Flying
(PF) and Pilot Not Flying (PNF) have no confusion about what's going on.

Does this include not keeping your hand on the throttle during and
immediately after takeoff? Every pilot I know was taught to do this...
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
http://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!)
Buy Hercules stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390

Jay,

I just had another thought about your clarification question. I would call
the state you described the "active ready" position. (I just made that up).
Not "rest". That's why what you are teaching is the correct thing to do.
--
Regards, BobF.
"Bob F." wrote in message
. ..
Hi Jay,

Yes and no. You have to read what I just wrote and keep it in context.
Yes on a small airplane, keep your hand on the throttle during those
phases you mentioned. That's what you are expected to do. If you are
holding onto the throttle in preparation for it's immediate use, that's
where it should be. If your are at cruse and for no reason just rest you
hand there, then that's the wrong thing to do. A good bump could result
in an unintentional throttle setting. You're doing the right thing
teaching that way.

--
Regards, BobF.
"Jay Maynard" wrote in message
...
On 2008-03-22, Bob F. wrote:
This brings to mind a point to remember for you ATP guys in training.
The
examiner does not like to see your hand in any position where he has to
wonder what you are about to do. Don't rest your hand on ANY control.
If
you are going to exercise it. Move your hand over, do it, then return
to
some neutral position. This really is a CRM tactic so that the Pilot
Flying
(PF) and Pilot Not Flying (PNF) have no confusion about what's going on.

Does this include not keeping your hand on the throttle during and
immediately after takeoff? Every pilot I know was taught to do this...
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
http://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!)
Buy Hercules stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390

buttman wrote in
:

On Mar 21, 6:08*pm, Dan wrote:
On Mar 21, 5:42 pm, "Bob F." wrote:

Everyone knows the gear can't come up while taxiing anyway, no
matter wh
at
you do with the switches.

You have got to be kidding...?

Or else flying a fixed gear.

Dan Mc

Theres no way the gear can retract while the plane's weight is on the
gear.

Even if the squat switch were to fail, the gear retraction motor is
not going to be powerful enough to bring the gear up from underneath
you.




Wow, an even bigger idiot than I thought.

As soon as I saw someone post about trying the old gear up witch and rely
on the squat, I thought of you.


And you can get the gear up on the ground, fjukkwit. For one thing the
nosewheel will happily retract and if you're taxiing the rolling of the
mains will happilly allow the wheels to move., once they're over center you
are on your belly.



Bertie

Ron Natalie wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Bob F." wrote in
:

Everyone knows the gear can't come up while taxiing anyway, no
matter what you do with the switches.


Though I knew some tit who used to pull the lever up at the start of
the take off roll and rely on the prox switch on the gear to do the
rest for him.

Guess what?

Prox switch, what is that . You raise the handle on my plane and
the next sound you hear is the prop hitting the pavement. Even on
planes with squat switches you want to make sure the switch is down
before moving the aircraft.

There's about three different "make sure the handle is down" before
cranking.


It's just a type of switch. I should have said squat switch. A lot of
airplanes have a second switch in line that won't allow the gear to
retract regardless of the handle position. others have a mechanical lock
that restricts movement of the gear handle whilst on the ground.


Bertie

On Mar 22, 10:20*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
buttman wrote :



On Mar 21, 6:08*pm, Dan wrote:
On Mar 21, 5:42 pm, "Bob F." wrote:

Everyone knows the gear can't come up while taxiing anyway, no
matter wh
at
you do with the switches.

You have got to be kidding...?

Or else flying a fixed gear.

Dan Mc

Theres no way the gear can retract while the plane's weight is on the
gear.

Even if the squat switch were to fail, the gear retraction motor is
not going to be powerful enough to bring the gear up from underneath
you.

Wow, an even bigger idiot than I thought.

As soon as I saw someone post about trying the old gear up witch and rely
on the squat, I thought of you.

And you can get the gear up on the ground, fjukkwit. For one thing the
nosewheel will happily retract and if you're taxiing the rolling of the
mains will happilly allow the wheels to move., once they're over center you
are on your belly.

Bertie

You sound like you speak from experience...

buttman wrote in
:

On Mar 22, 10:20*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
buttman wrote
innews:69b2392f-451a-4072-b7aa-ae4cb87f0
:



On Mar 21, 6:08*pm, Dan wrote:
On Mar 21, 5:42 pm, "Bob F." wrote:

Everyone knows the gear can't come up while taxiing anyway, no
matter wh
at
you do with the switches.

You have got to be kidding...?

Or else flying a fixed gear.

Dan Mc

Theres no way the gear can retract while the plane's weight is on
the gear.

Even if the squat switch were to fail, the gear retraction motor is
not going to be powerful enough to bring the gear up from
underneath you.

Wow, an even bigger idiot than I thought.

As soon as I saw someone post about trying the old gear up witch and
rely on the squat, I thought of you.

And you can get the gear up on the ground, fjukkwit. For one thing
the nosewheel will happily retract and if you're taxiing the rolling
of the mains will happilly allow the wheels to move., once they're
over center yo
u
are on your belly.

Bertie

You sound like you speak from experience...


Of course I do, that's because I am. But I've never retracted the gear
on an airplane.

I certainly haven't gone around making idiotic statements like you just
did, either.



Bertie