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Old July 27th 06, 03:53 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Owen Hiller
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I had no idea that a flyover of the runway was illegal. But here you go:



"After making two flyovers — a common, but illegal maneuver in which the
pilot flies low over the runway — he made the five-minute flight to
Rountree where he normally purchased fuel, said airport employees.

According to an investigator with the Federal Aviation Administration,
before landing, he conducted another flyover, but stalled, crashing
nose-down just beyond the tree line in an open field east of the runway.

The crash was reported at approximately 8 a.m. by a resident who saw the
wreckage as he left for work, according Hartselle Police."


"Veteran-flyer Tom Coggin, 67, of Cullman, died instantly when his RV-6,
two-seater aircraft crashed on private property near Rountree Field,
Hartselle's municipal airstrip."

"Deadly Flight" - Cullman Times July 25 2006

http://www.cullmantimes.com/homepage...picturestor y



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Old July 27th 06, 04:19 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jim Logajan
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Default Flying over the runway is illegal?

Owen Hiller wrote:
I had no idea that a flyover of the runway was illegal.


I presume this may be due to 91.119, which would probably require at least
500 feet AGL if there is no intent to land?
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Old July 27th 06, 04:40 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Matt Whiting
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Jim Logajan wrote:

Owen Hiller wrote:

I had no idea that a flyover of the runway was illegal.



I presume this may be due to 91.119, which would probably require at least
500 feet AGL if there is no intent to land?


That would be my thought, but boy that is splitting hairs.

Matt
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Old July 27th 06, 04:52 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
cjcampbell
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Owen Hiller wrote:
I had no idea that a flyover of the runway was illegal. But here you go:


It is not. The reporter also probably thinks that the plane stalled
because the engine quit.

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Old July 27th 06, 06:05 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Andrew Sarangan[_1_]
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I could see flyovers being illegal under two FARs - minimum safe
altitude, as well as careless and reckless. Regardless of legality,
they are totally unnecessary and unsafe. The outcome of this flight
demonstrates that point.


Owen Hiller wrote:
I had no idea that a flyover of the runway was illegal. But here you go:



"After making two flyovers - a common, but illegal maneuver in which the
pilot flies low over the runway - he made the five-minute flight to
Rountree where he normally purchased fuel, said airport employees.

According to an investigator with the Federal Aviation Administration,
before landing, he conducted another flyover, but stalled, crashing
nose-down just beyond the tree line in an open field east of the runway.

The crash was reported at approximately 8 a.m. by a resident who saw the
wreckage as he left for work, according Hartselle Police."


"Veteran-flyer Tom Coggin, 67, of Cullman, died instantly when his RV-6,
two-seater aircraft crashed on private property near Rountree Field,
Hartselle's municipal airstrip."

"Deadly Flight" - Cullman Times July 25 2006

http://www.cullmantimes.com/homepage...picturestor y


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Old July 27th 06, 06:58 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
cjcampbell
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Andrew Sarangan wrote:
I could see flyovers being illegal under two FARs - minimum safe
altitude, as well as careless and reckless. Regardless of legality,
they are totally unnecessary and unsafe. The outcome of this flight
demonstrates that point.


Minimum safe altitude is that altitude necessary to ensure being able
to glide to a safe landing in the event of a power failure. One may
presume that when over a runway you ought to be able to reach the
thing. The 500' altitude requirement that some have been throwing
around here has nothing to do with minimum safe altitude.

You are required to practice missed approaches as a student pilot,
which is essentially a flyover. You are also required to demonstrate
the ability to glide to a safe landing. ATC may even require you to fly
over the runway at a low altitude. Much of student pilot training is
devoted to teaching students to fly over runways at low altitude
safely. During instrument training or in IMC the pilot may fly a
circling approach as low as 500' over the runway and in fact may fly
almost a whole pattern at that altitude, and he may descend lower than
that under some conditions.

John and Martha King demonstrate in some of their videos a very low
pass over the runway in ground effect as a training device and they
recommend that instructors do this with their students. The Kings are
not notoriously dangerous pilots, nor are they given to recommending
that pilots break the FARs.

The pilot in this case is said to have stalled, but given the
inaccuracies in the news article and the fact that the investigation
had barely begun, let alone come to a conclusion, that really amounts
to speculation. But suppose he did stall. I submit that anyone who
stalls while flying over a runway is likely to do that when taking off.

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Old July 27th 06, 07:10 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dale
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Default Flying over the runway is illegal?

In article .com,
"Andrew Sarangan" wrote:

I could see flyovers being illegal under two FARs - minimum safe
altitude, as well as careless and reckless. Regardless of legality,
they are totally unnecessary and unsafe. The outcome of this flight
demonstrates that point.


He seemed to have lost control of his airplane. The flyover had nothing
to do with that. The same outcome could have occured during a landing
or takeoff.

Sometimes flyovers are necessary such as a go-around or to check the
condition of an intended landing area. The only reason they may be
unsafe is because they aren't practiced enough.
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Old July 27th 06, 11:16 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Matt Whiting
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Default Flying over the runway is illegal?

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
I could see flyovers being illegal under two FARs - minimum safe
altitude, as well as careless and reckless. Regardless of legality,
they are totally unnecessary and unsafe. The outcome of this flight
demonstrates that point.


They aren't unsafe any more than any other aspect of flying is unsafe.
They may or may not be necessary, all depends on the circumstances.
They are necessary if you are inspecting a field that is short, soft
and/or unknown to you as part of your pre-landing activities. Many
flight instruction guides specifically recommend this in these cases.

Matt
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Old July 27th 06, 12:12 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
cjcampbell
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karl gruber wrote:
Was he on a flight plan?


Karl


Exactly. Every reporter "knows" that not filing a flight plan is both
illegal and dangerous.



"Owen Hiller" wrote in message
...
I had no idea that a flyover of the runway was illegal. But here you go:



"After making two flyovers - a common, but illegal maneuver in which the
pilot flies low over the runway - he made the five-minute flight to
Rountree where he normally purchased fuel, said airport employees.

According to an investigator with the Federal Aviation Administration,
before landing, he conducted another flyover, but stalled, crashing
nose-down just beyond the tree line in an open field east of the runway.

The crash was reported at approximately 8 a.m. by a resident who saw the
wreckage as he left for work, according Hartselle Police."


"Veteran-flyer Tom Coggin, 67, of Cullman, died instantly when his RV-6,
two-seater aircraft crashed on private property near Rountree Field,
Hartselle's municipal airstrip."

"Deadly Flight" - Cullman Times July 25 2006

http://www.cullmantimes.com/homepage...picturestor y




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Old July 27th 06, 02:12 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
John[_2_]
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Default Flying over the runway is illegal?

cjcampbell wrote:

karl gruber wrote:
Was he on a flight plan?


Karl


Exactly. Every reporter "knows" that not filing a flight plan is both
illegal and dangerous.


What reporter has stated that?

 




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