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Old November 25th 06, 01:59 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Default Steering on the taxiway

Is it better to use just the rudder or differential braking to turn on
taxiways? I understand that steering mechanisms vary considerably
from one aircraft to another, but I'm still curious. In this case,
I'm wondering about a Baron 58, the aircraft I fly in my sim (most of
the time).

I note when taxiing that the aircraft seems to oversteer, especially
as speed increases. That is, I'll move the rudder to straighten out
on the centerline of the taxiway, but the aircraft still continues to
drift slightly in the turn and overshoots the centerline. Is this the
way the real aircraft works? If so, what causes it? I should think
that if the rudder pedals turn the nose wheel directly, it would be
hard to overshoot unless the nose wheel actually skids or something
(?). This isn't happening at high speed, it's like 16 knots or so (or
does that count as high taxiway speed?).

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Old November 25th 06, 02:22 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Default Steering on the taxiway

Mxsmanic wrote:
I should think
that if the rudder pedals turn the nose wheel directly, it would be
hard to overshoot unless the nose wheel actually skids or something
(?). This isn't happening at high speed, it's like 16 knots or so (or
does that count as high taxiway speed?).


It's actually 18 TAS, not IAS, that is correct.

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Old November 25th 06, 02:25 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Default Steering on the taxiway

In article ,
Mxsmanic wrote:

Is it better to use just the rudder or differential braking to turn on
taxiways?


The Baron is a twin, you also have differential power.
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Old November 25th 06, 02:56 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Default Steering on the taxiway

use your brakes, use a little extra power and then "drag" the brakes to keep
them warmed up, hot brakes work better

some aircraft do not have nose wheel steering, but a free castering nose
wheel, those get tricky on crosswind take offs until the rudder becomes
effective

WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE YOU WON'T GO TAKE A LESSON
is that the "rudder control devices" are connected to the nose steering in
most aircraft, just keep your heals on the floor to keep your toes off the
brakes.


"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Is it better to use just the rudder or differential braking to turn on
taxiways? I understand that steering mechanisms vary considerably
from one aircraft to another, but I'm still curious. In this case,
I'm wondering about a Baron 58, the aircraft I fly in my sim (most of
the time).

I note when taxiing that the aircraft seems to oversteer, especially
as speed increases. That is, I'll move the rudder to straighten out
on the centerline of the taxiway, but the aircraft still continues to
drift slightly in the turn and overshoots the centerline. Is this the
way the real aircraft works? If so, what causes it? I should think
that if the rudder pedals turn the nose wheel directly, it would be
hard to overshoot unless the nose wheel actually skids or something
(?). This isn't happening at high speed, it's like 16 knots or so (or
does that count as high taxiway speed?).

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Old November 25th 06, 03:52 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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"Mxsmanic" wrote

Is it better to use just the rudder or differential braking to turn on
taxiways? I understand that steering mechanisms vary considerably
from one aircraft to another, but I'm still curious. In this case,
I'm wondering about a Baron 58, the aircraft I fly in my sim (most of
the time).


Why do you think anyone here would know? These are people that fly airplanes,
not computer games. They really don't care how the Barron handles on the
ground. They go out and fly airplanes. In the real air, on real taxiways, with
real controls, not plastic things with a wire going to the back of a computer.

They are different. The computer only simulates, and it poorly simulates
airplanes on the ground, so we have been told.

Go ask you simulator buddies. Perhaps they care.
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Jim in NC

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Old November 25th 06, 04:05 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Default Steering on the taxiway

john smith writes:

The Baron is a twin, you also have differential power.


Is it practical/desirable to use it for steering?

Unfortunately it is very awkward to adjust the throttles separately in
a sim, so I've never tried this type of steering.

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Old November 25th 06, 04:06 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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BT writes:

some aircraft do not have nose wheel steering, but a free castering nose
wheel, those get tricky on crosswind take offs until the rudder becomes
effective


I take it that you steer with brakes alone on these aircraft while
taxiing?

WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE YOU WON'T GO TAKE A LESSON
is that the "rudder control devices" are connected to the nose steering in
most aircraft, just keep your heals on the floor to keep your toes off the
brakes.


Actually, I'm aware of the connection between rudder and nose wheel in
some aircraft, but I also understand that there are a number of
different ways to provide steering for taxi, and so the rudder/wheel
connection is not universal. It does appear to work that way on the
Baron.

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Old November 25th 06, 01:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Is it better to use just the rudder or differential braking to turn on
taxiways?


Actually with the exception of a few oddities like the Grumman
singles, you steer aircraft with the the nose/tail wheel. The
rudder is a secondary directional control during taxi and not
much effective at low speeds.
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Old November 25th 06, 02:09 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
john smith
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Default Steering on the taxiway

In article ,
Mxsmanic wrote:

john smith writes:

The Baron is a twin, you also have differential power.


Is it practical/desirable to use it for steering?

Unfortunately it is very awkward to adjust the throttles separately in
a sim, so I've never tried this type of steering.


Depending on the size of the aircraft and the engines, only small
increases/decreases (+/- 100 rpm) in power are necessary if applied at
the correct times.
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Old November 25th 06, 04:24 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Default Steering on the taxiway

"Morgans" wrote in
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Go ask you simulator buddies. Perhaps they care.


Better be careful Jim!!!

You gave the best advise of all, and it will be ignored, like everybody
else's good suggestions....

We just need to kee ignoring this guy and not answer HIS questions is the
only way to get rid of this nut.

Allen

 




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