General Zinni on Sixty Minutes

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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In other words, what you did.

And then denied you did.

That's three.


lie1 Pronunciation Key (l)
intr.v. lay, (l) lain, (ln) ly·ing, (lng) lies
1.. To be or place oneself at rest in a flat, horizontal, or recumbent
position; recline: He lay under a tree to sleep.
2.. To be placed on or supported by a surface that is usually horizontal:
Dirty dishes lay on the table. See Usage Note at lay1.
3.. To be or remain in a specified condition: The dust has lain
undisturbed for years. He lay sick in bed.
4..
1.. To exist; reside: Our sympathies lie with the plaintiff.
2.. To consist or have as a basis. Often used with in: The strength of
his performance lies in his training.
5.. To occupy a position or place: The lake lies beyond this hill.
6.. To extend: Our land lies between these trees and the river.
7.. To be buried in a specified place.
8.. Law. To be admissible or maintainable.
9.. Archaic. To stay for a night or short while.

n.
1.. The manner or position in which something is situated.
2.. A haunt or hiding place of an animal.
3.. Sports. The position of a golf ball that has come to a stop.

"WalterM140" wrote in message
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We are -less- safe now, because of Bush.


This issue is beyond your ability to understand.

"WalterM140" wrote in message
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It definitely is and the Dems need to pound on the fact that Junior
did not complete his military service honorably.


It has been demonstrated that Bush completed his military service honorably.
The Democrats are just using an old strategy; repeat a big lie often enough
and eventually some people will believe it. One can hardly blame them, they
can't gain power by telling the truth and they're desperate for power.

"Robey Price" wrote in message
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Exactly how is voting for ANY liberal a vote against freedom?


Simple. Liberalism is about controlling people and people that are
controlled by others are not free.



I anticipate an illuminating discourse...or not.


Oh, somehow I doubt you're open to illumination.

"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
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I've got to find myself on the same side of the fence (for this one
instance) as Juvat. Certainly characterizing a vote for a liberal as a
vote against freedom is ignoring the essentials of the two primary
ideologies in America.

Characteristically the liberal ideology is based on a belief that
government is the best solution to societal problems. Taken further
left we get to welfare statism, socialism and eventually at the
extreme communism. Examples of liberal approaches are things like
Social Security, Medicare, publicly funded education, etc. Often these
solutions are very effective.


Odd, then, that you chose those three examples.

"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
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Hardly. We elect representatives who propose alternatives, then amend
and compromise and finally create a marginally effective bureaucracy
that does nothing for most of us, but garners votes from the unwashed
masses for reelection.

Seriously, I don't think Social Security, Medicare or public education
were implemented at gunpoint. They met the demands of "we the
people"--even when misguided.


Decline to participate in those programs and eventually someone from your
government will be pointing a gun at you.

"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
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Certainly in the USA we love our little bits of socialism.


Many of us in the USA don't care at all for these not so little bits of
socialism.



Don't try to take away our Social Security or Medicare.


No! Do take them away! Please!

I have to chuckle when defenders of these programs claim they are popular
with Americans. If they're so damn popular why are we forced to
participate?



Actually there is. Rousseau's Social Contract says that if we are to
live with the benefits of society we will have to restrict our freedom
of action. The catch is where upon the spectrum you want to place the
line.


The only limit on any individual's freedom should be another individual's
freedom.

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, "Paul J.
Adam" confessed the following:

Kevin, you're not a sockpuppet for Fred McCall, are you?

[tweeeet.....] Right! That'll do...yellow card for you my good man
insulting Fred McCall!
http://collection.nlc-bnc.ca/100/200...ation/m091.htm

By the by...if you have not heard of, or read Devon Largio's thesis on
the 27 rationales for the invasion of Iraq give this a look.

http://www.pol.uiuc.edu/news/largio_abstract.pdf

For the whole thesis

http://www.pol.uiuc.edu/news/largio_thesis.pdf

Oh...that first bit was humour. And as always enjoy your posts (just
like Keith Willsaw even if he and I don't see eye to eye on this Iraq
thing).

Robey

"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
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I'm not sure that you mean by "liberal" what many other people
understand by "liberal".


When people in the US use the term "liberal" today they're referring to
modern liberalism. Essentially, a large central government that controls
every aspect of life in America.

"Robey Price" wrote in message
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Exactly how is voting for ANY liberal a vote against freedom?


Simple. Liberalism is about controlling people and people that are
controlled by others are not free.


I think I will have to chime in on Stevens side here.

Sure liberals like freedom at home, but to some of us, freedom is not just
something for domestic consumption, but something that everyone deserves, no
matter what their country. Its not just something you are glad you have, but
lament the fact that others in the world do not have it, while having your wine
and cheese.

The American and Euro leftists were content, even at times even happy with
conditions in countries such as the USSR and its enslaved Baltic and Eastern
European countries, Cuba, Nicaragua. People like Marx, Lenin, Ortega and Castro
were and have been darlings of the USA leftists for that matter. Look at the
ongoing love affair between Hollywood leftists (redunant) and Castro.

The left and liberals were thought it was foolish to confront the USSR, and
just plain stupid to have such folly ideas as rolling back Communist/Marxist
totalitarian states in the world. Sen Kerry opposed every, or nearly every
Reagan initative that helped roll defeat the USSR. He certainly ran quickly to
make friends with Ortega in the mid 80s. The American and Euro leftists even
ridiculed Reagan for daring Gorby to tear down the wall, and thought it just
was indicative of their pointy headed intellectual views of him being a
simpleton. The left has not just opposed efforts give other states freedom,
but often actively tried to support those states.

No political party or person has a perfect record in these matters. But when
it comes to trying to help countries that were under totalitarian or marxist
rule, the American and Euro left has a pretty abyssmal record.






Ron
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