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Old May 10th 17, 03:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Sean Fidler
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Good morning "Turn Area Task only" not racing fans!!!

Warning: This thread concerns only FAI rules and in no way relates to the US Rules experiment and isolation program (your area task safe space). Reading ahead any further may cause discomfort.

"Content removed, sorry" counter: One hundred eight days. 1 0 8 d a y s! 🤷*♀️

Today is Wednesday May 10, 2017. The US International Team ranking content was unpublished without explanation on January 22, 2017 after being published for a week or so.

In only twelve more days the "Sorry, content removed" status of our US International Soaring Teams ranking data (care of the US Team Committee) will have been unavailable to us for 4 months...with ZERO explanation.

Will those "in charge?" make it to four months? Why the secrecy? Why not make some kind of announcement? I've been hearing for three months now that the content will be republished in "just a few days," over and over and over. Zilch. Nada. Yet here we are on day 108. Perhaps we need some new people involved with this project who can communicate openly and properly?

I sure hope the forthcoming explanation of this FOUR MONTH delay (assuming that the content is finally going to be "re-released") is complete and FULLY explains all circumstances which resulted in this delay and how any conclusions or changes were reached. I also hope that ALL who were involved in this process are available for open (public, on the record) discussion and are willing to answer any questions both immediately and publicly (on the record).

The secret nature of this "issue(s)?" is entirely unacceptable. Sadly it is also not uncommon within this "society."

Furthermore, why isn't the SSAs US Team content part of the SSAs only website? Why does this content reside (or not reside "content removed, sorry") on some separate, non-SSA website (soaringweb.org)? No other country seems to do this. Why does the SSA not own this content?

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Old May 14th 17, 04:09 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Sean Fidler
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From and including: Sunday, January 22, 2017
To, but not including Saturday, May 13, 2017
Result: 111 days
It is 111 days from the start date to the end date, but not including the end date
Or 3 months, 21 days excluding the end date
Alternative time units
111 days can be converted to one of these units:
9,590,400 seconds
159,840 minutes
2664 hours
111 days
15 weeks and 6 days
30.41% of 2017
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Old May 14th 17, 02:25 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Sean,

Are not aware there is a new multi-step selection team process in place? My understanding of the new process, as I read it in the document "Updated US Team Selection Process v1.0.3", is what used to be call pilot ranking is really now more accurately described as pilot eligibility.

I think most would agree that it is a well thought out process. These are the three steps in the new process.

Step #1: Pilot Eligibility - Certain pilots are eligible by numerical calculation of recent results in both US and IGC contests.
Step #2: Preferential Voting By Qualified Pilots - Pilots who ranked 85% of the winners score in a recent nationals vote for who they think would perform well at WGC.
Step #3: Final Team Selection By The US Team Committee - A final look-over by the team committee to make sure there is a solid squad.

Please get your hands on this document and read it over. Let me know if you want me to send it to you. I think it is a good process.

XC
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Old May 14th 17, 07:08 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Are you not aware there is a new multi-step team selection process? My understanding of the new process, as I read it in the document "Updated US Team Selection Process v1.0.3", is what used to be call pilot ranking is really now more accurately described as pilot eligibility.

I think most would agree that it is a well thought out process. These are the three steps in the new process.

Step #1: Pilot Eligibility - Certain pilots are eligible by numerical calculation of recent results in both US and IGC contests.
Step #2: Preferential Voting By Qualified Pilots - Pilots who ranked 85% of the winners score in a recent nationals vote for who they think would perform well at WGC.
Step #3: Final Team Selection By The US Team Committee - A final look-over by the team committee to make sure there is a solid squad.

Please get your hands on this document and read it over. Let me know if you want me to send it to you. I think it is a good process.

XC
Sean Murphy
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Old May 14th 17, 07:19 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Steve Koerner
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Hello Sean Murphy,

I happen to disagree with you about the wisdom of a process like that. But not wanting to grind that axe at this moment, I'm curious as to how you've come to know that such process has been adopted?

When I go to the SSA site and click on the Sailplane Racing heading, I find a subheading: US Team. Under that subheading is a further subheading: US Team Selection. The only document there is dated 2010 and describes the objective method of determining the US team that has been in place since that time.

There is also a subheading: US Team News. When I scroll four entries down through the news, I find a Request for Feedback dated March 2016 that has a link to a survey and relates a process that sounds just like the process that you outline. It's in a doc titled: Updated US Team Selection Process v1.0.3. That document was created as a proposal and has the word "proposes" in it. So, has that proposal been adopted as the policy of SSA?

Was there an announcement about that which I missed? I sent an email to a member of the US team committee asking about this a couple months ago. The reply I got was that I should stand by. Four days ago, I sent a message to a different US team committee member asking basically the same question: what is the process that is now in effect. As of today, no reply.

Like Mr Fidler, I'm pretty annoyed that there is this lack of communication and transparency in regards to an important function of the SSA. What is going on?

For what it's worth, I've decided not to make the drive to the nationals this year.
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Old May 14th 17, 07:20 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I'm told the document has been updated to correct an error in a formula. The latest version is 1.2.2

The basic idea is the same. The numerical calculation formerly known as "Rankings for the US International Team Selection" is really just a starting point for the new process.

http://www.ssa.org/files/member/Upda...20v1.2.2. pdf

XC
Sean Murphy
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Old May 14th 17, 07:40 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Steve Koerner
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Thank you for that link Mr Murphy.

Do you know that this is now official policy of SSA?

Was a vote taken by the SSA directors that has adopted this policy or has the US team committee on it's own decision now empowered itself to become the final arbitrar of the US Team constituency?

If it is truly SSA policy, it would sure be good to have the website updated so that there is not this sort of confusion floating about.
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Old May 14th 17, 08:09 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I'm told the process was presented to the SSA Board at the February 2016 meeting. I didn't attend the meeting nor have I read the minutes to tell you if there was a vote, etc.

I agree with you. The policy should be more readily accessible to the membership.

Happy flying this year,
XC
Sean Murphy
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Old May 15th 17, 01:57 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
David Leonard
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The minutes from the April 11, 2016 ExComm meeting indicate it was approved.


On 5/14/2017 1:09 PM, XC wrote:

I'm told the process was presented to the SSA Board at the February 2016 meeting. I didn't attend the meeting nor have I read the minutes to tell you if there was a vote, etc.

I agree with you. The policy should be more readily accessible to the membership.

Happy flying this year,
XC
Sean Murphy

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Old May 15th 17, 02:23 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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So let me get this straight. Am I reading this correctly that a pilot with a lower ranking number can be selected over a pilot with a higher ranking number based on votes?

Sorry, if you win a national contest and your ranking is 100.0, you should have first dibs on representing the United States...you won the right to do that.

Is the SSA really going to let "politics" decide who gets to go? What the hell kind of crap is this?


So we SUCK as a country in the world championship, and we are going to let lower performing pilots represent the country - based on votes? WOW!
 




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