I have an opinion on global warming!

Stealth Pilot writes:

has the earth's weather ever been stable?

No. No planet that is any distance above absolute zero will have stable
weather.

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RomeoMike wrote in news:22sle4-f6p1.ln1
@news.infowest.com:

Maybe it's not "Global Warming". Maybe it's just "Southwest Warming".

Well, seems you missed the sarcasm.

Or perhaps you did...

"Dan Luke" wrote in message news:
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"The Great Global Warming Swindle" is known load of bs which some of those
same scientists have called "pure propaganda," complaining that their comments
were taken out of context and deliberately distorted. The producer, Martin
Durkin, has been caught pulling this trick before, and the tabloid UK Channel
4 (not BBC, which would have nothing to do with this bozo) has had to
apologize for the other program of his that it aired.

http://www.medialens.org/alerts/07/0...aganda_the.php

The "hatchet job" tone of your note & the reference you site
is *exactly* the problem that many of us have with the entire
"Global Warming" pseudo-debate -- people like you politicize
the whole mess to discredit people who disagree with your
religious orthodoxy.

Durkin is a "bozo" and Channel 4 is "tabloid". "Many
scientists", you say, have called it "pure propaganda",
as if we're supposed to agree that "truth" can somehow
be decided by majority vote.

The "expose" you quote goes on to say that eight of the scientists
interviewed "are linked to American neo-conservative and
right-wing think-tanks, many of which have received tens of
millions of dollars from Exxon", as if that tenuous connection
(if even true) right there makes them irrelevant.

I took the trouble to view TGGWS on Google to see if what
your link says about the program is true.Their critique is quite
simply a nonsense.

1) Their fundamental claim is that Durkin says increasing CO2
is itself the result of increasing temperature. This claim was
never made.

2) They claim Durkin is "deeply deceptive" by portraying
a decline in temperature between 1940 and 1975, where
their supposedly-countering graph shows almost the same
drop (where GW orthodoxy predicts a rise).

3) They claim recent global warming related to CO2 is true
simply by reference to authority (the IPCC report), which
ought to be a red flag to anyone. Even to you.

4) Their explanation of the 800 year CO2 lag is nothing new.
That's completely consistent with what the program claimed.

5) They confuse solar energy output with sunspot activity. Durkin
made no claim that solar energy output was changing or affecting
"global warming", so setting this up as a straw man to be viciously
dissected means, quite simply, squat..

The review then degenerates into carefully documenting the
supposed sinister links between the scientists interviewed and
the oil companies. It then quotes various "Scientainers" who bloody
well ought to know better for being outraged that their ill-considered
musings are being called into question.

No doubt you'll counter by helpfully pointing out that one of the
scientific challengers to this new secular religion was once hauled
up before his university authorities for sexual harassment.

Or do you have something more relevant and substantial to offer?

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Apr 6, 11:46 am, Jim Logajan wrote:
But since that subject (and my opinion on it) has nothing to do with
piloting I'm not going to share it. I hope by making this posting that I
can hint to others that they direct their opinions on that subject to
more
appropriate forums.

Jim "naive and hopeless optimist" Logajan

I only wish that were true. We are not far off from having GA
regulated in the name of global warming. Limiting flight hours, days
flown, etc is a very, very likely scenario. Almost any freedom can be
taken away if you put a "Global Warming" tag on it.


Or a "For the Children" tag.

"kontiki" wrote in message
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Jim Logajan wrote:

But since that subject (and my opinion on it) has nothing to do with
piloting I'm not going to share it. I hope by making this posting that I
can hint to others that they direct their opinions on that subject to
more appropriate forums.

Jim "naive and hopeless optimist" Logajan

Jim, if you think that the 'religion' of global warming does not or
will not affect your flying, or th your freedom to fly you are naive.

BINGO!!

Give that man a (polluting) cigar!

"Don Tabor" wrote in message
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On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 21:59:30 -0500, "Dan Luke"
wrote:

"The Great Global Warming Swindle" is known load of bs which some of
those
same scientists have called "pure propaganda," complaining that their
comments
were taken out of context and deliberately distorted. T

I would not claim TGGWS is totally unbiased, but keep in mind I
suggested it as a balance to Gore's film.

Biased how?

BTW, the "scientist" (singlular) that claimed his remarks were taken out of
context was shown to be lying. He was, most likely, afraid of losing his
cushy federal grants like two of his collegues who refused to toe the state
agenda.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../ngreen218.xml

"Peter Dohm" wrote in message
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"Gene Seibel" wrote in message
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In addition I recently heard that some surface reporting stations in
Siberia
ceased operation--so that data was simply omitted from the calculations.

Since any resulting error would be in the "correct" direction, according
to
the current Gore sycophants, there is no reason to correct for the missing
data, nor to work to put the reporting stations back on line.

Even suface observations have been, historically, located in developed
areas. Those areas are, today, greatly increased in size and infrasturcture,
that creates what;s known as "heat island effect".

An honest scientists (redundant?) would correct for that; an agenda-driven
hack, OTOH, plays games with the data.

On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 12:49:35 -0700, Matt Barrow wrote:

There *are* people with a clue - both within and outside the US.

And Martin is definitely not one of them, the goosestepping nazi.

well, as an American you shouldn't cry and whine too much about nazis and
about environment.

#m
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Apr 6, 3:24 pm, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
But since that subject (and my opinion on it) has nothing to do with
piloting I'm not going to share it. I hope by making this posting that
I
can hint to others that they direct their opinions on that subject to
more
appropriate forums.

I agree. As we sit here, shivering in record cold temperatures (wind
chills near zero tonight), the thought that global warming might be a
complete crock of sh*t never once entered my mind -- nor would I
*ever* consider sharing any such silly thoughts with any of you.

We're told that the unusally cold temps lately are a result of global
warming (ice caps melting). I'm still waiting to find out how we also
caused global warming on Mars. Pretty cool how the weather man on TV
can't guess the temp tomorrow but the global warming people can
predict temps in 20 years. Maybe we need to get those guys to come up
with our forecasts.

I find it amusing when I get up at 5:00 in the morning and check the weather
which says something like:

Tonights Low: 48 F --- Present Temperatu 44F.

The boneheads can't even do simple arithmetic.

"Peter Dohm" wrote in message
.. .

Obviously, for the heat to traverse the interplanetary space, we are
burning
*way* too much fuel!

OTOH, there seems to be some doubt whether the Earth's northern polar
region
is currently as warm as it was in Viking times.


Some doubt? The Vikings planted crops, including vineyards, in Greenland,
which unless you missed it, is completed covered in permanent ice.