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George Ruch writes: (Peter Stickney) wrote: In article , George Ruch writes: (B2431) wrote: The article on the F-117 kill (http://www.aeronautics.ru/f117down.htm) indicates that the kill was from two SA-6 missiles. I've got to make a correction, here. The F-117 kill was made by an SA-3 site. I should have figured that. An SA-6 kill would have needed a lot of luck, esp. once the guidance beam came on. But... The inbound tracking was reportedly accomplished by a 1950's vintage Soviet radar operating in the 165 - 190 cm range (158 - 181 MHZ). Useful for ground-based early warning, but pretty much useless for fire control purposes. Which, BTW, is the normal EW/Air Search radar of the SA-3. Really old missiles, like the SA-2 and SA-3 have, oddly enough, an advantage when engaging stealth aircraft. [much good info snipped] I remember that setup from my old EW days. Add a decent LLTV/IR combination and a decent crew and you'd have a very dangerous package. Yery dangerous indeed. There are times when the unsophisticated system is more effective than the new Gee-Whiz stuff. Of course, system performance of something like an SA-3, SA-2, or Nike-Herc depends a lot more on crew quality, (and quantity, it takes a lot of people to run them), and they can get saturated a lot mroe easily. But it can also take advantage of the pattern recognition wired into the human brain. In the period leading up to Viet Nam, the Navy put a lot of effort into deception jammers. (Repeaters & Track Breakers & such). They consumed less power, and could be made smaller, so you could fit 'em internally, and not sanitize a pylon carrying a pod. (A big issue with the F-8 and early A-4s, 'casue they didn't have a lot of pylons to begin with. And they worked pretty good against our best systems. The only problem is, that when they were put up against the the SA-2's Fan Song radars, after a while, they weren't quite as effective. The manual operators were, with practice, often able to pick out the true targets from the false ones. The Air Force went in more for noise jammers, and these tended to work better in that environment. If you fill the radar's screens with solid noise, there's nothing to pick out. -- Pete Stickney A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures. -- Daniel Webster |
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:New fighters will have "stealth
:features" but do not meet the military's own definition of 'stealth'. F35 will probably be the last manned US aircraft employing "passive" stealth for the survival. Yeah. You only can't see them up until right after they kill you. Some 'stealth feature'. Yeah right,with 600 mile range stand off air-air misilles maybe. |
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Obviously, no aircraft is completely invisible to radar, but
when you get down to the RCS of a bird, that is stealth. Frontal RCS of f22 is even smaller than insects,but that is stealth only for good old backscatterers.period. |
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"Denyav" wrote in message ... :New fighters will have "stealth :features" but do not meet the military's own definition of 'stealth'. F35 will probably be the last manned US aircraft employing "passive" stealth for the survival. Mainly because its apt to be the last US manned fighter. Keith |
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haphazardly with AA while trying to find the F-117s. The first night of the
first Iraq war, all the F117's came back from their missions without so much as a scratch. Lots of of them did not even get to their assigned targets during the first night of DS I to start with. If Jammers had not spoofed guided launches aganist some them,world would not have to wait till balkan for first f117 stratches,thats second. Iraq,like,Afghanistan,Panama,Zambia,Somalia etc is a backward third world country,and thats the third point. |
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