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Apache gun camera video
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sucks to be those guys
-John *You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North American* |
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"Andrew" wrote in message ... http://w3.kill-9.com/apache_kills.mpeg Andrew Saw this a few days ago. This misses the first part of that vid. The guy in the pickup truck stops, gets out, and talks to the guy in the larger truck. He then appears to look directly at the Apache, seems to realize that they are being watched. He then reaches back into the pickup truck, and pulls out what looks like a RPG or other small shoulder fired launcher. He runs out into the field to the left, drops the launcher, and runs back. This vid starts a few seconds after that. I think I saw it on Nightline(?). Pete |
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"Andrew" wrote in message ... http://w3.kill-9.com/apache_kills.mpeg Andrew Although it is amazing to see combat video like this........ Certain things don't look exactly kosher to me........... 1. Does anyone else notice that these Iraqi's were walking up to a tractor, one was in the drivers seat? 2. After the first Iraqi is killed, the one next to the tractor waves a piece of cloth in the air - which is a sign of surrender and commonly used by Iraqi's ......... and the Apache gunner shoots him anyway.... 3. The last Iraqi shot, was wounded and rolling on the ground - even though the gunner reported him wounded he was told to shoot him again anyway........ so now it is ok to shoot the wounded and those that wish to surrender? 4. You'll notice even the gunner thought this to be a bit excessive, and he seems to have targeted the truck on the right - instead of moving forward as ordered (With the sight) and hitting the wounded iraqi directly........... So what do we have here........ 3 guys slaughtered that were not carrying weapons - not pointing anything at anyone........perhaps trying to fix a busted tractor in the wrong place at the wrong time........ I don't see one weapon that the Iraqi's had..........anywhere in this video........ |
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"Helomech " wrote So what do we have here........ 3 guys slaughtered that were not carrying weapons - not pointing anything at anyone........perhaps trying to fix a busted tractor in the wrong place at the wrong time........ I don't see one weapon that the Iraqi's had..........anywhere in this video........ See my other post in this thread. The first part was cut, and had shown what appeared (to me anyway) to be a shoulder fired weapon of some sort, being taken out of the pickup truck and tossed out into the field. Still iffy, though. Where one might see the whole video, no idea. Pete |
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Still iffy, though.
Still iffy in that you're presumably watching three human beings being killed. Granted, they might not be nice human beings. But in the paraphrased words of Randy "Duke" Cunningham, "I didn't ever get used to killing. If you ever get used to killing, I don't think you belong here [on earth]". Calmly sitting at your PC and watching people die is ghoulish at best (and I thought it was illegal to show videos of people dying?). Tony |
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"Helomech " wrote in message ... "Andrew" wrote in message ... http://w3.kill-9.com/apache_kills.mpeg Andrew Although it is amazing to see combat video like this........ Certain things don't look exactly kosher to me........... 1. Does anyone else notice that these Iraqi's were walking up to a tractor, one was in the drivers seat? Yep, assumedly some of what was seen is not on this video. 2. After the first Iraqi is killed, the one next to the tractor waves a piece of cloth in the air - which is a sign of surrender and commonly used by Iraqi's ......... and the Apache gunner shoots him anyway.... I wouldn't go that far. It looks to me that the man by the tractor is tearing the covering off a bundle. Just as the cross hairs go back to him you can see something flexible on the ground in front of him he is "working" with. With his left hand he pulls of the cloth with a long jerk that throws his arm and the cloth behind him and slightly into the air as he is leaned over. This is not a surrender wave as he drops that item and leans farther over and puts his hands to what is left. In fact if you watch carefully on full screen you can see this guy pulling something out of the tractor as he disappears of the left side as the gun tracks the man that came down off the tractor. Given the general shape and size of the object "waved" I can't help thinking "gun case." At any rate, the waving "in the air" is just the quick back swing of what ever cloth removal from what ever source. 3. The last Iraqi shot, was wounded and rolling on the ground - even though the gunner reported him wounded he was told to shoot him again anyway........ so now it is ok to shoot the wounded and those that wish to surrender? Wounded, yea, if you just wounded them, they are over there, you are over here and you have no means of taking them prisoner. Surrendering? I see no one trying to surrender. 4. You'll notice even the gunner thought this to be a bit excessive, and he seems to have targeted the truck on the right - instead of moving forward as ordered (With the sight) and hitting the wounded iraqi directly........... If you say so. So what do we have here........ 3 guys slaughtered that were not carrying weapons - not pointing anything at anyone........perhaps trying to fix a busted tractor in the wrong place at the wrong time........ It would have been better to capture them. But that requires a patrol in the area and who says there was one? I don't see one weapon that the Iraqi's had..........anywhere in this video........ See more of the video and I'll wager you do. |
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"Pete" wrote in message ... "Andrew" wrote in message ... http://w3.kill-9.com/apache_kills.mpeg Andrew Saw this a few days ago. This misses the first part of that vid. I suspected as much. |
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"Tony Volk" wrote in message ... Still iffy, though. Still iffy in that you're presumably watching three human beings being killed. Granted, they might not be nice human beings. But in the paraphrased words of Randy "Duke" Cunningham, "I didn't ever get used to killing. If you ever get used to killing, I don't think you belong here [on earth]". Calmly sitting at your PC and watching people die is ghoulish at best (and I thought it was illegal to show videos of people dying?). Ghoulish? Maybe. But it also helps us to understand conditions there, and what the troops, pilots, and Iraqis are going through. I found it very disturbing. The reason I say *iffy* is because We Don't Know. What were the events leading up to this encounter? Had the Apache simply happened upon 3 guys out in a field and proceeded to shoot? Or had the pickup truck been tracked from an earlier encounter? Had the driver already shot at US troops? Had he already shot at, and missed, the Apache doing the shooting? We Don't Know. The video linked in the post is only about second half of the one I saw on TV (Nightline, I believe). The part that isn't seen may well lead one to a different conclusion as to the why and what. Seeing only the shortened video clip here, I could very easily assume an overzealous helicopter crew. Possibly even criminal. But that little clip is by no means the entire story. We don't know the entire story of this particular encounter. Pete |
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Nightline has the video on their web site, but you need to join up to
see it. Pete wrote: "Tony Volk" wrote in message ... Still iffy, though. Still iffy in that you're presumably watching three human beings being killed. Granted, they might not be nice human beings. But in the paraphrased words of Randy "Duke" Cunningham, "I didn't ever get used to killing. If you ever get used to killing, I don't think you belong here [on earth]". Calmly sitting at your PC and watching people die is ghoulish at best (and I thought it was illegal to show videos of people dying?). Ghoulish? Maybe. But it also helps us to understand conditions there, and what the troops, pilots, and Iraqis are going through. I found it very disturbing. The reason I say *iffy* is because We Don't Know. What were the events leading up to this encounter? Had the Apache simply happened upon 3 guys out in a field and proceeded to shoot? Or had the pickup truck been tracked from an earlier encounter? Had the driver already shot at US troops? Had he already shot at, and missed, the Apache doing the shooting? We Don't Know. The video linked in the post is only about second half of the one I saw on TV (Nightline, I believe). The part that isn't seen may well lead one to a different conclusion as to the why and what. Seeing only the shortened video clip here, I could very easily assume an overzealous helicopter crew. Possibly even criminal. But that little clip is by no means the entire story. We don't know the entire story of this particular encounter. Pete |
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