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Spin Recovery Training Before First Solo?
Ok, I guess things were a bit different back then at the very least.
Even after about 150 hrs, I do not have the nerve to do spins on my own because I do not understand them well enough. I am comfortable with stalls and unusual attitude recoveries of the kind that are tested on the PPL test but have never done spins with an instructor. I once had a guy with aerobatics experience do 2 spins for me just for fun but at the time I was too new to understand what was going on. In any case I was not doubting your experience and qualifications, just wondering from my perspective. I had a completely uneventful first solo thankfully, Girish Yes you misunderstood what I was saying. On my first solo (in the 50's) my instructor told me to go practice some airwork, then return for the take offs and landings. While I was practicing stalls is when I got into my first spin. To that point I had not done any...simply had read about them and followed the procedures. Then my curiosity got the best of me and I continued to do a number of spins before I came back in for my obligatory take off and landings. Seems like the training was quite a bit different back then? I've continued to teach stall/spin and highly encourage my students to get spin training no matter where it is. I'm heartened by some of the posts by older pilots who trained back when I did and are still active. I first got my CFI in 1967 and have been active ever since, and still am at 71 and do 70-80 hours a month of dual flight instruction in both airplanes and helicopters. Cheers Ol S&B |
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On Sep 8, 2:56 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
wrote: Even after about 150 hrs, I do not have the nerve to do spins on my own because I do not understand them well enough. I am comfortable with stalls and unusual attitude recoveries of the kind that are tested on the PPL test but have never done spins with an instructor. If you are "comfortable" with stalls and unusual attitudes and don't understand spins, I would suggest that you get some spin training or at least a better understanding of spins immediately. Feeling "comfortable" with unusual attitudes without a corresponding knowledge of spins can be an extremely dangerous combination. I would suggest strongly that you immediately begin feeling less "comfortable" with unusual attitudes, or get some basic spin recovery training as soon as possible. These two items are inseparable. Especially when over recovering from a spin and initiating another in the opposite direction or at worst inverted... Spin training should be mandatory so the pilot knows what to stay away from |
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Spin Recovery Training Before First Solo?
Even after about 150 hrs, I do not have the nerve to do spins on my own because I do not understand them well enough. I am comfortable with stalls and unusual attitude recoveries of the kind that are tested on the PPL test but have never done spins with an instructor. If you are "comfortable" with stalls and unusual attitudes and don't understand spins, I would suggest that you get some spin training or at I am comfortable with stalls and slow flight in any configuration for the cessna 150 and comfortable with the unusual attitudes my instructor taught me for the check-ride. Basically they were just two kinds taught - one where we end up in a steep dive and another one where we end up "on top" close to a stall. I was tested on both on the checkride. Besides these I am sure there is a lot of other stuff I have no idea about which is why I mentioned that I am "comfortable with unusual attitude recoveries tested on the PPL test". Maybe these aren't even considered unusual attitudes, I don't know. It wasn't meant to mean that I feel comfortable if the airplane suddenly flipped over for e.g. What kind of unusual attitude recoveries are usually taught beyond the PPL? least a better understanding of spins immediately. Feeling "comfortable" with unusual attitudes without a corresponding knowledge of spins can be an extremely dangerous combination. I would suggest strongly that you immediately begin feeling less "comfortable" with unusual attitudes, or get some basic spin recovery training as soon as possible. These two items are inseparable. I do understand what causes a spin and how we enter one but not the general aerodynamics behind it and I have not done one with an instructor yet, I plan to some time. With the general level of comfort I have with stalls and slow flight, I don't have that much fear of stalling inadvertently and spinning. Of course I could be naive in thinking that but that's what I feel. |
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Generally speaking, when you can fly consistently close to the left edge
of the envelope and both anticipate what the airplane will be doing 3 seconds from "now", then either stop or allow whatever that is from happening as the mood suits you, and recover whatever you allow to happen with the airplane under your complete control throughout this procedure, you are THEN allowed to feel you have BEGUN to understand unusual attitude to the extent where you may BEGIN the process of feeling "comfortable" while in this area of flight. I didn't quite get the general connection between slow flight and unusual attitudes here. Obviously learning to fly on the back side of the power curve is important to understanding stalls and spin entries but I thought unusual attitudes can be on either side of the power curve. No doubt high power slow flight with a pronounced nose high situation is an unusual attitude scenario but I thought it was one of many. In general I associate unusual attitudes with things like how to recover from a situation where the airplane has flipped over in turbulence for example. In general I have never been taught to consider that only high angle of attack scenarios can be unusual attitude scenarios. I hope I have made this point clear enough. Remember the Henriques basic rule of flying 101 :-) The moment you begin to feel "comfortable" while flying an airplane, note what you are doing at that instant and practice it for awhile :-)) I agree, I think the Killing Zone book makes this point too. Probably one of the reasons why the killing zone only begins at 70 hrs or so, when people start to feel complacent about their abilities. |
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