spaceship one

On 25 Jun 2004 04:37:45 GMT, (Regnirps) wrote:

Ron Wanttaja wrote:

Another concept was the Dyna-Soar, basically a mini-shuttle from the
mid-60s. It was an Air Force project. Don't really have any information
on why it was canceled,

See opening sequence to any episode of The Six Million Dollar Man.

Sooo.. It was a little unstable and the landings a bit rough.

It was affectionately referred to as the flying bath tub.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

-- Charlie Springer

Date: 6/25/2004 7:52 AM Central Daylight Time
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On 25 Jun 2004 01:05:57 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

Let's see, he's done quite a bit towards making aircraft cheaper with his
composite designs and innovations. Who knows what spinnoffs will come from
this
program?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

I continually bump up against my perceptions of what cheap is, and
what other people consider to be cheap. I don't consider the EZ
series of airplanes to be cheap. I also feel that they are tiny,
don't carry much and are compromised towards the high speed end of
flight such that they land at excessively high speed. But that's just
me.

What spinnoffs might come from the X prize venture Good question, I
can't think of any.

Corky Scott


Remember the "space plane" NASA was working on that would get you from NYC to
Tokyo in a couple of hours? I think a spin off might just be the commuter
equivillent between Lost Angeles, Peoples' Republic of California and NYC, NY.
I know it took about an hour just to get to launch altitude, but SS1 is
essentially a proof of concept. Maybe Rutan has a 200 passenger version in the
back of his mind.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

From: "Jim Carriere"
Date: 6/25/2004 8:31 AM Central Daylight Time
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"Regnirps" wrote in message
...
Ron Wanttaja wrote:

Another concept was the Dyna-Soar, basically a mini-shuttle from the
mid-60s. It was an Air Force project. Don't really have any information
on why it was canceled,

See opening sequence to any episode of The Six Million Dollar Man.

I don't understand- they cancelled Dyna-Soar, took the money from that
budget, and used it put Steve Austin back together???



(better, faster, stronger)

Viagra® ?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

From: (Regnirps)
Date: 6/25/2004 9:30 AM Central Daylight Time
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"Jim Carriere" wrote:

I don't understand- they cancelled Dyna-Soar, took the money from that
budget, and used it put Steve Austin back together???

No, he real money went into making time slow down when he powered up and
defying the normal laws of physics, like pushing a wakk over without tearing
the soles out of his shoes or bunding down a light post by pulling on it. And
that ear! Still Top Secret technology.

-- Charlie Springer


The $6 million dollar monkey had the eye, the bionic babe had the ear.

I can't believe this thread has devolved into this. OK, I can.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:14:58 GMT, Richard Lamb
wrote:

Big John wrote:

Dan

True story.

Guy in P-51 at low altitude (10K). Opened mask and lit a cigarette.
Oxy from mask caused cigarette to flare and burned his face.

Made me nervous about the cigars I used to smoke after we got airborne
with mask open just hanging by strap.

Used the flare gun port on left side of cockpit to get the ashes out
of cockpit. Just put cigar down near the hole and flick and poof they
were gone.

Would be interesting to see the specs on cockpit of SS1. Had to have
some pressurization and probably used pressure breathing in
conjunction to keep pilot awake/alive.

Big John
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On 24 Jun 2004 02:01:07 GMT, (B2431) wrote:


Date: 6/23/2004 8:40 PM Central Daylight Time
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Matt

My computer bombed so this may go as a dup?

I have thousands of hours in jet fighters breathing 100% oxy.

We had all kinds of electrical stuff in cockpit(s) and aircraft. High
power Radar, Radio's, etc., etc.
.

Big John
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:28:37 -0400, Matt Whiting
wrote:

Richard Lamb wrote:


In the aftermath of the Apollo 1 fire, NASA took a year (and $75 mil)
to redesign the space craft, mature their mental attitudes, and yes,
did come back with a much safer vehicle.

Yes, but I still wonder how anyone in their right might would use a
nearly pure oxygen atmosphere in a vehicle full of humans and electrical
equipment...

Matt

The difference is Apollo 1 was flooded with pure O2 where jet fighters push O2
from a LOX converter to a face mask. Big difference. The only electronics in
the mask is a microphone.

Having said that the electrical systems in Apollo 1 were poorly routed and
protected.
It was an accident waiting to happen.

Dan. U.S. Air Force, retired

Mike was wearing a standard military style oxygen mask, so the cockpit
had to
be pressurized. But what the cabin altitude was is anybody's guess.


Rihcard

It's all a question of partial pressure. At 29,280 feet, even 100%
oxygen is barely capable of keeping a human alive, never mind let them
do any type of serious exercise (which is why 8000 meter mountains are
so hard).

I doubt the cabin was at much higher than 15,000 feet, probably lower
than that. Which makes the bird all the more impressive, to me.
--
dillon

When I was a kid, I thought the angel's name was Hark
and the horse's name was Bob.

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:26:15 GMT, Roger Halstead
wrote:

On 25 Jun 2004 04:37:45 GMT, (Regnirps) wrote:

Ron Wanttaja wrote:

Another concept was the Dyna-Soar, basically a mini-shuttle from the
mid-60s. It was an Air Force project. Don't really have any information
on why it was canceled,

See opening sequence to any episode of The Six Million Dollar Man.

Sooo.. It was a little unstable and the landings a bit rough.

It was affectionately referred to as the flying bath tub.

More bath tub than flying.


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

-- Charlie Springer

--
dillon

When I was a kid, I thought the angel's name was Hark
and the horse's name was Bob.

On 25 Jun 2004 19:14:42 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

Remember the "space plane" NASA was working on that would get you from NYC to
Tokyo in a couple of hours? I think a spin off might just be the commuter
equivillent between Lost Angeles, Peoples' Republic of California and NYC, NY.
I know it took about an hour just to get to launch altitude, but SS1 is
essentially a proof of concept. Maybe Rutan has a 200 passenger version in the
back of his mind.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

I can remember two things that the public got their hands on that were
developed for the Space Program: Tang and a pen that works upside
down.

I recall someone mentioning that the Russians also realised that a
normal pen would not work in outer space, they gave their astronauts a
pencil....

Corky Scott

"Dillon Pyron" wrote in message
news

It's all a question of partial pressure. At 29,280 feet, even 100%
oxygen is barely capable of keeping a human alive, never mind let them
do any type of serious exercise (which is why 8000 meter mountains are
so hard).

I doubt the cabin was at much higher than 15,000 feet, probably lower
than that. Which makes the bird all the more impressive, to me.
--
dillon

When I was a kid, I thought the angel's name was Hark
and the horse's name was Bob.

Not quite. At that 29,000' 100% O2 is the same partial pressure as 20% O2
at sea level. Glider pilots reach these altitudes in unpressurized cockpits
all the time. The record altitude for a glider is just under 50,000' again
with no pressurization.

Did you know that Spaceship One is registered as a glider?

Bill Daniels

"Dillon Pyron" wrote in message
news

It's all a question of partial pressure. At 29,280 feet, even 100%
oxygen is barely capable of keeping a human alive, never mind let them
do any type of serious exercise (which is why 8000 meter mountains are
so hard).

I doubt the cabin was at much higher than 15,000 feet, probably lower
than that. Which makes the bird all the more impressive, to me.
--
dillon

When I was a kid, I thought the angel's name was Hark
and the horse's name was Bob.

Not quite. At that 29,000' 100% O2 is the same partial pressure as 20% O2
at sea level. Glider pilots reach these altitudes in unpressurized cockpits
all the time. The record altitude for a glider is just under 50,000' again
with no pressurization.

Did you know that Spaceship One is registered as a glider?

Bill Daniels

In charles.k.scott@
ddddartmouth.edu wrote:

I can remember two things that the public got their hands on that were
developed for the Space Program: Tang and a pen that works upside
down.

There was also the Temperfoam that a lot of us are using in our seat
cushions, and the emergency blanket I keep in my survival kit (pilots in
Alaska are required to carry one). Besides those examples there were
probably developments in lightweight insulation applicable to aviation
and I'd be be very suprised if the state of the art in storage batteries
wasn't advanced by the space program.

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