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Matt Barrow wrote:
"Blanche" wrote in message I had the Reiff oil sump heater installed back in August. Last time I went flying was 2 weeks ago. Put the 2 car blankets (those blue quilted things from your favorite Big Box hardware store) over the cowl after flying, made sure the heater was plugged in, patted the putt-putt on the spinner and went home. I live in the 'burbs of Denver. Today was a *wonderful* day for flying. Cold, clear, no wind. The city plowed the street and I have a 10 foot high pile of snow that is now the consistency of concrete blocking my driveway. Ahhh...memories of the Christmas '82 blizzard! At least they plow your street! In '82, my car sat at the bottom of the hill (Hampden & Tamarac) for four days because it couldn't make the last 150 yards up the hill through 25" of snow (and 8 foot drifts). In them days, they maybe plowed the main thoroughfares, not the arterials and certainly not the residential streets. That was the storm that got Bill McNichols bounced out of office -- no, not 30 years of corruption, but that he had them plow the parking lot for McNichols arena (named for a sitting mayor, no less) instead of the streets. Yup -- BTDT. Ah yes, that hill...not nearly as much fun as I-70 at Floyd Hill, or the west side of the tunnel, but still entertaining. I had 5 unexepected friends stay with me for 3 days because they Couldn't get home. I'm near the bottom bend of I-225. In those days, J really thought his Volvo could get thru everything and anything. And this was a group of people from Chicago, who were used to unplowed side streets, mayors who believed in Solar Snowplows, etc. But they had never been thru a Colorado storm. Just remember, McNicols named the stadium, but Webb (another sitting mayor) named the new local Gov. building after himself. Fortunately I don't live in Denver, just the 'burbs. On the other hand, at least we have buried utilities so unless someone cuts thru, we keep power on, unlike Buffalo and western NY earlier this year. The paternal side of the family had no water or power or heat for 8 days. They thought the same thing was happening down here and called in a panic. The airports, on the other hand, are another matter. Once KAPA opened, the Citations and Lears were coming in every 3-5 minutes, non-stop on Friday. DIA, on the other hand (KDEN to those here) got the first Frontier flight out just after 1200 MST. All the local news stations carried the shot, much like a Shuttle lift-off. But there are people who have spent 3 nights there already, and may not leave until after Christmas. The local cities and hotels have a "distressed traveler" plan, put into planning back in 2003, the last time this happened. Once the road gets opened, buses get out to the airport and bring the folks to the hotels. About 3000 people took advantage of this on Friday, but not quite 2000 stayed at the airport to try and get stand-by seats. I'm still astonished at 1) all the people who have 4-wheel drive and think they are invincible and can travel thru anything 2) and/or have lived here more than 3 winters and don't prepare -- far too many folks don't even have snow shovels! |
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Peter R. wrote:
Blanche wrote: I had the Reiff oil sump heater installed back in August. Last time I went flying was 2 weeks ago. Put the 2 car blankets (those blue quilted things from your favorite Big Box hardware store) over the cowl after flying, made sure the heater was plugged in, patted the putt-putt on the spinner and went home. Call me a sucker for marketing, but what covering the prop and spinner? The point that the prop and spinner hanging out in the cold will transmit that lower temperature through the crankshaft deep into the engine seemed logical to me. This is why I broke down and bought the insulated cowling cover and prop/spinner covers from Kennon. After three days of being plugged in and covered on a sub-zero day, my aircraft's prop and spinner are still warm to touch. I live in the 'burbs of Denver. Say hello to my brother for me. He lives in Firestone. Sorry -- didn't provide all the info. 1) Yes I have prop covers and a spinner cover. 2) the blankets easily cover the air intakes on the cowl Not sure where Firestone is. But I haven't even seen my neighbors from 4 houses over, the plows have piled up so much snow. Somehow, I think we'll have a different company on contract next year. |
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Blanche wrote:
Sorry -- didn't provide all the info. 1) Yes I have prop covers and a spinner cover. 2) the blankets easily cover the air intakes on the cowl Ah, OK. Very good. Not sure where Firestone is. About 25 miles north of Denver. Straight up that major north/south highway there. -- Peter |
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On 12/22/06 07:38, "Rich" wrote:
Both Tanis and Reiff do not recommend leaving it on all the time. My Tanis paperwork (circa 1997) says it's okay to leave it plugged in all during cold weather. The website still says the same thing, "It can be left plugged in continuously, keeping engine safely warm for starting even in sub-zero weather." - Don History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. - Dwight D. Eisenhower |
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On 22 Dec 2006 05:09:53 -0800, "cpw" wrote:
I live in northern lower Michigan where we have real winters some years (not this one yet). My partner and I own a 2000 Cessna 182. We are currently debating the proper use of the Tanis engine heater. It has been our practice in the past to plug the heater in after a flight and leave it plugged in until the next. We have heard lately that best practice is to only use the heater for a few hours prior to flight. Any opinions among other owners in cold climes? Thanks. CPW Had numerous conversations with Peter Tanis prior to his passing on this subject, as well as the corrosion issue. I wish I still had the various tech material he forwarded to me years ago. There is a very informative article on their website that you should take the time to read if you haven't already: http://www.tanisaircraft.com/article6.html The main thing that I took away from the tech material that he shared with me with regard to internal corrosion was that the oil temp should always stay under 100 degrees F. If I remember correctly, a Tanis system tends to raise the oil temp about 50 degrees F, so if ambient is below 50 degrees F, no worries. Peter told me that one of his local customers ran Pt 135 Seneca II's that stayed plugged in continuously (when they weren't flying) throughout the winter. When we discussed it, they had been doing it for over 5 years without issues. One main advantage these aircraft had were that they were operated in a manner that minimized the moisture trapped in the oil. That can often be problematic for non-frequent flyers. I have no financial interest in Tanis, and Peter NEVER gave me anything resembling a sales pitch. It seemed to me that he felt that educating technicians and owners about pre-heating would do his selling for him. Regards; TC |
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A MN fnend with a 180 HP Lycoming/Cardinal received enough corrosion
from continuous Tanis heat to require a top OH after only one winter. It obviously was localized corrosion on the bottom of the jug he had above his desk where I worked. |
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On 23 Dec 2006 16:50:45 GMT, Blanche wrote:
Matt Barrow wrote: My daughter was marooned in Cabo San Lucas with a direct Frontier flight due in around 5:00 on Friday. They did get in around the same time today. Me? I think I'd have waited for a wind off the mountains to melt the snow. Cabo sounds a whale of a lot better this time of year than Denver, but OTOH a whole lot more expensive too. out just after 1200 MST. All the local news stations carried the shot, much like a Shuttle lift-off. But there are people who have spent 3 nights there already, and may not leave until after Christmas. The local cities and hotels have a "distressed traveler" plan, put into planning back in 2003, the last time this happened. Once the road gets opened, buses get out to the airport and bring the folks to the hotels. About 3000 people took advantage of this on Friday, but not quite 2000 stayed at the airport to try and get stand-by seats. I'm still astonished at 1) all the people who have 4-wheel drive and think they are invincible and can travel thru anything 2) and/or have lived here more than 3 winters and don't prepare -- far too many folks don't even have snow shovels! Kevin's dad didn't even have an ice scraper in his. Of course Deb and Kevin left theirs at his folks (with chains, shovel, and ice scrapers - They do live on the second rage back where they had 12 feet of the stuff two years ago) Fortunately the sun had already melted the ice on the wind shield and it wasn't too bad once they were out of the parking lot :-)) Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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On 23 Dec 2006 16:53:31 GMT, Blanche wrote:
Peter R. wrote: Blanche wrote: I had the Reiff oil sump heater installed back in August. Last time I went flying was 2 weeks ago. Put the 2 car blankets (those blue quilted things from your favorite Big Box hardware store) over the cowl after flying, made sure the heater was plugged in, patted the putt-putt on the spinner and went home. Call me a sucker for marketing, but what covering the prop and spinner? The point that the prop and spinner hanging out in the cold will transmit that lower temperature through the crankshaft deep into the engine seemed logical to me. This is why I broke down and bought the insulated cowling cover and prop/spinner covers from Kennon. After three days of being plugged in and covered on a sub-zero day, my aircraft's prop and spinner are still warm to touch. I live in the 'burbs of Denver. Say hello to my brother for me. He lives in Firestone. Sorry -- didn't provide all the info. 1) Yes I have prop covers and a spinner cover. 2) the blankets easily cover the air intakes on the cowl On the Deb the spinner creates a lot of space. I wrap the blankets around everything and pin them together under the cowl. Even at zero the prop blades are quite warm out a foot or so beyond the blanket. The engine is uncomfortable to touch where the crank comes out. Probably some where around 10 to 20 below I'd have to put boots on the prop blades, but you aren't getting me out there in those temps so it's a non issue. :-)) Not sure where Firestone is. But I haven't even seen my neighbors from 4 houses over, the plows have piled up so much snow. Somehow, I think we'll have a different company on contract next year. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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Blanche writes:
I'm still astonished at 1) all the people who have 4-wheel drive and think they are invincible and can travel thru anything Click & Clack say: 4-wheel drive means you can get farther away from help before you get stuck. -- A host is a host from coast to & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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