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wrote in message ... Not to issue the clearance, it isn't. Correct. |
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"Newps" wrote in message ... This happens all the time here. East half of the airport, including the ASOS, is 0/0. West half is clear and a million.. No contact approach allowed. Better off to do an instrument approach and just break it off as soon as you receive the clearance. Ask for the full approach if it will take you near or over the airport and then just break off and land if you can get an approach and landing clearance. Nothing says you have to actually go out and do the approach. Actually, something does say that; FAR 91.123(a). |
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wrote in message ... Where is the "otherwise authorized"? In the regulation you referred to. Newps suggested that the pilot accept an approach clearance, and then simply break it off and land without executing it, if I understand him correctly. Newps is wrong. An intriguing idea, to be sure, but presumably the approach controller only authorized the procedure which he cleared the pilot to execute, and which the pilot then circumvented. Seems like a possible violation to me. It is, see my response to Newps. |
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wrote in message ... What the hell are you saying here? . I suggested that it would be a violation, and you replied with this: "No. That regulation begins with "Unless otherwise authorized by the Administrator", and FAR Part 1 defines "Administrator" as "the Federal Aviation Administrator or any person to whom he has delegated his authority in the matter concerned." " A contact approach is not a violation of the regulation [FAR 91.175(a)] requiring a standard instrument approach procedure because that regulation begins with the proviso "Unless otherwise authorized by the Administrator", and FAR Part 1 defines "Administrator" as "the Federal Aviation Administrator or any person to whom he has delegated his authority in the matter concerned", such as ATC in this case. |
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wrote in message ... any "short cut" with either a contact, visual, or cancellation is a legal no-no. should read "any 'short-cut' without either a contact, visual.... I'd say it should read "any short-cut without a revised clearance or a cancellation is a legal no-no." |
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On 1/17/05 3:06 PM, in article , "Newps"
wrote: This happens all the time here. East half of the airport, including the ASOS, is 0/0. West half is clear and a million.. No contact approach allowed. Better off to do an instrument approach and just break it off as soon as you receive the clearance. Ask for the full approach if it will take you near or over the airport and then just break off and land if you can get an approach and landing clearance. Nothing says you have to actually go out and do the approach. This doesn't seem like a prudent thing to do. If 1/2 of the airport is obscured, how would you know that the rest wouldn't fog up in less time than it took to land? IMHO, it would be best to fly the published approach and be ready to go missed. -- Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino Cartoons with a Touch of Magic http://www.wizardofdraws.com More Cartoons with a Touch of Magic http://www.cartoonclipart.com |
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This doesn't seem like a prudent thing to do. If 1/2 of the airport is
obscured, how would you know that the rest wouldn't fog up in less time than it took to land? IMHO, it would be best to fly the published approach and be ready to go missed. I tend to agree, although there may be a situation where you're vectored directly overhead the airport but the procedure may take you several miles out and back...just in time for the airport to fog over completely. |
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