Official word: Runway Incursion vs Surface Incident

On Oct 6, 11:28*am, Ross wrote:
Just the wrong sentence structure can
have a totally different meaning from the writer to the reader.

I wish this was true in Gattmans case, but I can't find it in the
below reply to me from him in the other thread. The below simply is
inexcuseably rude.

Because I'm an instructor and I brought it up on the student forum I
feel obliged to "reciprocate" and clarify for other readers.
Apparently, telling you what I saw happen has no value to you so
clearly you don't respect my word. I'm not out here to engage in some
sort of penis-measuring contest with a couple of usenet know-it-alls,
if that's what this is going to turn into.

His reply above to me was a very poor representation of an instructor
and I have never had anybody tell me either in person, email, postal
mail or even Usenet the above.

On Oct 6, 10:38*am, Jeffrey Bloss wrote:

But I'm also sure they felt they were doing a service for the common
good of all humanity ;-)

I sent it and why not? It was for safety, common good, education and to
point out this resource called Usenet to the FAA cyberdummies.

All winkers ( from you aside, why didn't you?

As I mentioned, I contacted them about three weeks prior, by phone and
e-mail.

Be careful of what? I missed ti, what exactly is there to be afraid of?

That some psychotic cyber-stalker might take the dispute beyond usenet
banner and potentially destroy people's careers.

The people who criticized the FAA/FSDO in the course of the discussion
might find themselves ramp-checked or contacted too. Fortunately,
we're dealing with the FAA which I regard as the good guys, if not a
necessary bureaucracy. I enjoyed talking to them. But, if people are
going to start reporting anything that people say to each other on the
internet, then who knows what kind of creepy behavior they're into.

-c

On Oct 6, 12:44*pm, BeechSundowner wrote:
On Oct 6, 11:28*am, Ross wrote:

I wish this was true in Gattmans case, but I can't find it in the
below reply to me from him in the other thread. *The below simply is inexcuseably rude.

Because I'm an instructor and I brought it up on the student forum I
feel obliged to "reciprocate" and clarify for other readers.

The renewal of this discussion with me admitting I was in error is
proof of what I already explained to you, which is that as an
instructor who started the discussion on an internet forum, I feel
obligated to clarify for readers if I have been erroneous or caused
confusion. That is why I came back to this forum and offered the
details of my discussion with the FAA.

You will, of course, interpret my words however you wish. Clearly I
cannot stop that. But I want everybody here to know exactly what I
meant when I said the above, and I feel I have proven it through my
actions.

Apparently, telling you what I saw happen has no value to you so clearly you don't respect my word. I'm not out here to engage in some
sort of penis-measuring contest with a couple of usenet know-it-alls if that's what this is going to turn into.

His reply above to me was a very poor representation of an instructor and I have never had anybody tell me either in person, email, postal
mail or even Usenet the above.

I'm sorry if I've bruised your ego. Telling you what I saw happen or
what I mean has no value to you so clearly you don't respect my word.
I'm not here to engage in a contest with you, call you rude or
otherwise insult you. Goodbye.

-c

On Oct 6, 10:30*am, Jeffrey Bloss wrote:

a wrote

Seriously, when and why did they lock your Thorazine away?

Wow. You JUST WROTE:

"In Chris case, there was no doubt he was being an assclown with
statements such as: "

And then you start dropping snarky Thorazine insults. Odd.

Mr. Bloss, your contribution to the discussion is not necessary or
helpful, but it does illustrate what this newsgroup has become since I
started reading it in 1998. Thank you for providing this clarity.

-c

On Oct 6, 9:12*pm, C Gattman wrote:

I'm sorry if I've bruised your ego. Telling you what I saw happen or
what I mean has no value to you so clearly you don't respect my word.
I'm not here to engage in a contest with you, call you rude or
otherwise insult you. Goodbye.

You didn't bruise my ego as I am not being defensive on what I typed
out. You just can't take it that somebody questioned you to back up
what you say. Luckily it's all in these these two threads that backs
everything I have said.

My question was can you provide an internet source for what you
stated. Your response was:

Because I'm an instructor and I brought it up on the student forum I
feel obliged to "reciprocate" and clarify for other readers.
Apparently, telling you what I saw happen has no value to you so
clearly you don't respect my word. I'm not out here to engage in some
sort of penis-measuring contest with a couple of usenet know-it-alls,
if that's what this is going to turn into.

I haven't been rude, just stating my opinion on what I perceive as
your poor presentation of an instructor when you give a reply such as
the above. There is nothing subject to interpretation. YOU TYPED it
out.

Your ego apparently has issues, not mine. If you call the above
statement polite or an appropriate response BY AN INSTRUCTOR to a
question to back up what you type, you really do have issues.

I have not mis-stated one thing.nor even tried to interpret anything
you said. If you plan to say what "I did", back it up linking it to
the direct post I typed. Otherwise you still continue to blow smoke.

On Oct 6, 8:02*pm, BeechSundowner wrote:
On Oct 6, 9:12*pm, C Gattman wrote:

I'm sorry if I've bruised your ego. Telling you what I saw happen or
what I mean has no value to you so clearly you don't respect my word.
I'm not here to engage in a contest with you, call you rude or
otherwise insult you. Goodbye.

You didn't bruise my ego as I am not being defensive on what I typed
out. *You just can't take it that somebody questioned you to back up
what you

I said Goodbye. I don't care what you think of me or what you think I
can't take. Get over it. -c

On Oct 7, 4:31*am, C Gattman wrote:

I said Goodbye. I don't care what you think of me or what you think I
can't take. Get over it. *-c

You are now becoming my source of entertainment. :-)

Apparently you do care on what I think (or even others) or you
wouldn't be so obsessed on defending yourself by replying to me (or
others).

I don't have anything to "get over" since I didn't say or do anything
wrong. I live with a clean concience in this thread and the other
thread that you unprofessionally represent yourself as an
instructor.

I mean, after all, what is your justification for posting the
following? You are being quoted in it's entirety so it's not a matter
of subjective interpretation that you want everybody to believe.

Because I'm an instructor and I brought it up on the student forum I
feel obliged to "reciprocate" and clarify for other readers.
Apparently, telling you what I saw happen has no value to you so
clearly you don't respect my word. I'm not out here to engage in some
sort of penis-measuring contest with a couple of usenet know-it-alls,
if that's what this is going to turn into.

The above wasn't a good sign of an instructor trying to portray a
professional image in an aviation newsgroup. After all, as I see it,
the CFI's are the role models for todays students. If you want your
students to see how you really represent aviation, you need to clean
up your act in the public forum as the above doesn't do you well for
your image or even for other fellow CFI's to the new people stepping
into these forums for the first time.

On Oct 6, 9:03*pm, C Gattman wrote:
On Oct 6, 10:38*am, Jeffrey Bloss wrote:

But I'm also sure they felt they were doing a service for the common
good of all humanity ;-)

I sent it and why not? It was for safety, common good, education and to
point out this resource called Usenet to the FAA cyberdummies.

All winkers ( from you aside, why didn't you?

As I mentioned, I contacted them about three weeks prior, by phone and
e-mail.

Your attention to detail must not be your forte. Jeffrey's question
was directed to Mark Hansen not you. He was asking Mark why he didn't
contact the FAA..

Be careful of what? I missed ti, what exactly is there to be afraid of?

That some psychotic cyber-stalker might take the dispute beyond usenet
banner and potentially destroy people's careers.

Your attention to detail must not be your forte. Jeffry Bloss hasn't
stalked you. I count only one direct response from Jeffrey to you in
this thread, hardly a stalker in my eyes.

Now if you sad cyber lurker, your sentence above would reflect the
situation more accurately.

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BeechSundowner wrote:

On Oct 7, 4:31*am, C Gattman wrote:

I said Goodbye. I don't care what you think of me or what you think I
can't take. Get over it. *-c

You are now becoming my source of entertainment. :-)

Apparently you do care on what I think (or even others) or you
wouldn't be so obsessed on defending yourself by replying to me (or
others).

I can't imagine that anybody in this thread cares very much what other
people think, because you all look like a bunch of colossal ******s to
me.

Want to impress people? Be informative, post civilly, and don't rise to
the bait when somebody else doesn't. Few people in this thread have
managed all three of these.

If this conversation had been carried out in a bar instead of on usenet
you'd all have black eyes and broken noses by now. You wouldn't talk
this way to the other guy's face, so don't talk that way here.

--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon

On 10/07/09 09:47, Mike Ash wrote:
In article
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BeechSundowner wrote:

On Oct 7, 4:31�am, C Gattman wrote:

I said Goodbye. I don't care what you think of me or what you think I
can't take. Get over it. �-c

You are now becoming my source of entertainment. :-)

Apparently you do care on what I think (or even others) or you
wouldn't be so obsessed on defending yourself by replying to me (or
others).

I can't imagine that anybody in this thread cares very much what other
people think, because you all look like a bunch of colossal ******s to
me.

Want to impress people? Be informative, post civilly, and don't rise to
the bait when somebody else doesn't. Few people in this thread have
managed all three of these.

If this conversation had been carried out in a bar instead of on usenet
you'd all have black eyes and broken noses by now. You wouldn't talk
this way to the other guy's face, so don't talk that way here.


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--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA