Swift Boat Guys Caught in Some Great Big Lies

Subject: Swift Boat Guys Caught in Some Great Big Lies
From: (OXMORON1)
Date: 8/20/2004 10:45 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Art wrote in response to:
What was the criteria for the award of the battle star?

the following:
You had to fight in the ****ing battle asshole.

Calm down Art! He asked a legitimate question and deserved a better answer.

Rick


He asked a stupid question and got the answer he deserved.



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Art wrote:
I was one bombardier in one plane in one squadron in one group in one wing in
one air force. Period. My command knowledge is zero as is yours.


You forgot one thing in your list "one war".
You also have no command experience, so how are you qualified to comment on it?
I do not claim command experience and am not running for any political office.
I am responsible for making sound decisions around my home and at work. I come
to this newsgroup for information about military aviation, my hobby, not for
political ranting by unqualified individuals, not necessarily you.

Can you tell me the difference between "horse apples", "rabbit pellets", and
"cow patties"?

Rick

(ArtKramr) wrote in message ...
Subject: Swift Boat Guys Caught in Some Great Big Lies
From: (OXMORON1)
Date: 8/20/2004 7:00 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Art asked:
What about your military record? How many Purple Hearts and Silver Stars?


Art,
What about your military record? Disregarding wings and theater awards, what
do
you have in the cedar chest or attic? What promotions did you get? Did you
make
it beyond FO? What awards?
Not picking on you Art, just trying to figure out where you are coming from
with your questions.

Rick


I got 10 Air Medals. Battle stars on my ETO ribbon for D-Day, Po Valley,
Battle of Central Europe, etc. Also Battle of the Atlantic medal and Army of
Occupation medal.

Your turn.


I'll set in here and take a turn.

I have nothing to brag about.

This Fall, we each get one vote.

Isn't Democracy great?

--

FF

Subject: Swift Boat Guys Caught in Some Great Big Lies
From: (OXMORON1)
Date: 8/20/2004 10:38 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Steve asked:

What was the criteria for the award of the battle star?

You'll have to get that answer from one of the WWII guys. During that time I
was about two years old.
I think, repeat "think", don't know for sure that it was based on your
personnel records, unit assignment, military specialty and dates.
Military award regulations change all the time and I don't have access to the
regulations or history

Rick


Let me see if I can simplify this complex question. There was a battle going on
in the Po Valley in Northern Italy.. I flew a mission to the Po valley so I
got a battle star indicating that I had been in that battle. There was a war
going on in central Europe. I flew missions over central europe, so I got a
battle star for the battle of central europe. Tell me if that is too complicted
and I will try to rephrase it in a simpler manner. Any questions?.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

FF wrote:
This Fall, we each get one vote.

Isn't Democracy great?

Greatest thing since sliced bread!
I think I will vote twice.

Rick

Subject: Swift Boat Guys Caught in Some Great Big Lies
From: "Steven P. McNicoll"
Date: 8/20/2004 10:48 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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You had to fight in the ****ing battle


Do you have any idea what constituted fighting in the ****ing battle?



asshole.


Do you have any idea why you're unable to engage in civil discourse?


Yeah I was there and fought in that and many other battles. A hell of a lot
more than you ever did wannabee..


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
om...

I'll set in here and take a turn.

I have nothing to brag about.

This Fall, we each get one vote.

Isn't Democracy great?


No.

Subject: Swift Boat Guys Caught in Some Great Big Lies
From: (OXMORON1)
Date: 8/20/2004 11:08 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Art wrote:
I was one bombardier in one plane in one squadron in one group in one wing
in
one air force. Period. My command knowledge is zero as is yours.


You forgot one thing in your list "one war".
You also have no command experience, so how are you qualified to comment on
it?
I do not claim command experience and am not running for any political
office.
I am responsible for making sound decisions around my home and at work. I
come
to this newsgroup for information about military aviation, my hobby, not for
political ranting by unqualified individuals, not necessarily you.

Can you tell me the difference between "horse apples", "rabbit pellets", and
"cow patties"?

Rick



What the hell are you babbling about?


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...

Yeah I was there and fought in that and many other battles. A hell of a
lot
more than you ever did wannabee..


But many others were there and fought in many battles yet they are still
able to engage in civil discourse. What's different about you?

So when someone brags about how many
missions they flew the best reply is: Really? Where and when?


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer



Wrong again ART, The best reply is " THANKS".


Jack G.